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ive come around on sandbagging

Old 04-03-08, 08:03 AM
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ive come around on sandbagging

and I encourage more people to sandbag in my division.

it will only force me to become a better, stronger racer and be more prepared to race in the next level if I am good enough to get there.

YES I made another sandbagging thread. Just what this forum needs right?
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Old 04-03-08, 08:09 AM
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Can we inject elitist/Fred debates, too? That will generate more traffic.

Sandbagging is great for flooding.

In bike racing, it's like staying in 8th grade when your classmates move on to high school. Sure, the tests are easy, but don't you want to grow.

I understand what the OP is saying. He wants the challenge of beating lifer Cat IIIs or IVs so that he's that much better when he moves up. I just bristle at the idea of someone wanting to go stagnant on purpose.

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Old 04-03-08, 08:14 AM
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hey i just wanted to make a thread applauding instead of complaining
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Sorry, I cannot sandbag. I will probably cat up as soon as these last 3 races are under my belt. At least I will try to cat up.
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What if you're a lifer CAT3 because you suck?
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Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus View Post
What if you're a lifer CAT3 because you suck?
Race masters when you Age Up.


edit: and the word "suck" shouldn't be in your vocabulary. Unless you are talking about someone else.
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Old 04-03-08, 08:33 AM
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I flatted out of the A group on the Tuesday Nighter. I fixed the flat before the Bs caught up, so I finished the last lap with them. A couple of them thanked me afterwards for coming in there and bumping up the pace (I attacked - a lot). Of course, I wasn't a "sitting in for the sprint" sandbagger. I was working more than anyone.
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Old 04-03-08, 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus View Post
What if you're a lifer CAT3 because you suck?
well if you suck i doubt you are sandbagging

maybe you could see about a downgrade to the 4s?
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Originally Posted by Lithuania View Post
well if you suck i doubt you are sandbagging

maybe you could see about a downgrade to the 4s?
lol i don't think he was talking about himself sucking... if you are, Snuff, don't be so hard on yourself
hell i have almost enough upgrade points to get to cat 2 (20 out of 25) but I think I will "sandbag" cat 3 for a few months at least. i want to have at least some fun (and win some $) before i am kicked upstairs. don't worry guys, i won't make a habit of sandbagging
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Old 04-03-08, 09:17 AM
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i have definitely heard of upgrading to cat 2 too soon and seen the result
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If I ever - EVER! - make it to where I have enough wins or points to upgrade to cat2, the rounds are on me.

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I don't understand why people would want to sandbag.

I also really don't get why people get tremendeously upset when someone else sandbags.

In both cases the answer is HTFU.
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didnt you stay in cat 5 for the longest time for no good reason, merlin?
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^ I can assure you no one one was complaining about me sandbagging.

And my results as a 4 suggest perhaps I should still be a 5.

(i.e. dnf, dfl, 26th, 37th)
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Originally Posted by merlinextraligh View Post

I also really don't get why people get tremendeously upset when someone else sandbags.
Can't say that I've ever been tremendously upset, but my experience last year was that I very much wanted to upgrade to the 3s (longer races which suit me, better start times, tougher competition appealed to me) but was "stuck" behind a handful of guys that had WAY more than the required points to upgrade. Basically every week was a race for 6th for me (or something). The OP's point that I should rejoice because the competition made me stronger for this season is somewhat valid (I did get my upgrade but it took a ton of races)...but had I been able to upgrade early last season I would have gotten plenty of competition at the higher cat.

I also think there's some learning to be done at the front of a race. Things you don't learn running around in 6th. It's not that I think you need to win a bunch before you upgrade, but having your shot at it a few times helps IMO.
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Originally Posted by merlinextraligh View Post
^ I can assure you no one one was complaining about me sandbagging.

And my results as a 4 suggest perhaps I should still be a 5.
haha i hear that
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Old 04-03-08, 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by 92degrees View Post
Can't say that I've ever been tremendously upset, but my experience last year was that I very much wanted to upgrade to the 3s (longer races which suit me, better start times, tougher competition appealed to me) but was "stuck" behind a handful of guys that had WAY more than the required points to upgrade. Basically every week was a race for 6th for me (or something). The OP's point that I should rejoice because the competition made me stronger for this season is somewhat valid (I did get my upgrade but it took a ton of races)...but had I been able to upgrade early last season I would have gotten plenty of competition at the higher cat.

I also think there's some learning to be done at the front of a race. Things you don't learn running around in 6th. It's not that I think you need to win a bunch before you upgrade, but having your shot at it a few times helps IMO.
My point is that by having to beat guys that probably are cat 3 level in cat 4 made you better prepared off the bat for actual cat 3 races. Sure you would have gotten the same comp by just being in cat 3 but as you basically said yourself you were practically forced to figure out a way to beat these guys in order to get your upgrade which gives you a leg up on cat 4s getting into cat 3 the easy way. If you are constantly coming in 6th you are obviously getting a pretty good chance to win since you are always finishing up front like that.

Lets face it, unless these baggers are super baggers or an entire team of baggers you are going to have to figure out how to beat them once you get to cat 3 anyway.
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All true. I still would have preferred a few more/better chances to win races and I would definitely have preferred half a season of later start times!
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Well again, lots would argue that by coming in 6th all the time it seems pretty apparent that you already had a good chance at winning.

i hear you about the later start times
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Originally Posted by 92degrees View Post
Can't say that I've ever been tremendously upset, but my experience last year was that I very much wanted to upgrade to the 3s (longer races which suit me, better start times, tougher competition appealed to me) but was "stuck" behind a handful of guys that had WAY more than the required points to upgrade. Basically every week was a race for 6th for me (or something). The OP's point that I should rejoice because the competition made me stronger for this season is somewhat valid (I did get my upgrade but it took a ton of races)...but had I been able to upgrade early last season I would have gotten plenty of competition at the higher cat.

I also think there's some learning to be done at the front of a race. Things you don't learn running around in 6th. It's not that I think you need to win a bunch before you upgrade, but having your shot at it a few times helps IMO.


You can upgrade to 3's with pack finishes
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Originally Posted by merlinextraligh View Post
^ I can assure you no one one was complaining about me sandbagging.

And my results as a 4 suggest perhaps I should still be a 5.

(i.e. dnf, dfl, 26th, 37th)
Umm, I thought you said that was a training thing?

Are you going to Tally this weekend?
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Originally Posted by wfrogge View Post
You can upgrade to 3's with pack finishes
Isn't that a new policy?
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Originally Posted by wfrogge View Post
You can upgrade to 3's with pack finishes
Which is probably the only way I'll get there..
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Originally Posted by kensuf View Post
Umm, I thought you said that was a training thing?
Inherent lack of talent, and poor training are a bad combination.

unfortunately, now I have bronchitis, so I won't be racing this weekend.
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Originally Posted by bdcheung View Post
Isn't that a new policy?
I don't think so, some people on our team were mentioning that people they've known that have upgraded in this fashion were not pleased with their results in the 3s.
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