"The 33"-Road Bike Racing We set this forum up for our members to discuss their experiences in either pro or amateur racing, whether they are the big races, or even the small backyard races. Don't forget to update all the members with your own race results.

Upgrade attempt round two

Old 05-05-08, 05:59 AM
  #1  
LowCel 
Throw the stick!!!!
Thread Starter
 
LowCel's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Charleston, WV
Posts: 18,071

Bikes: GMC Denali

Mentioned: 7 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 102 Post(s)
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
Upgrade attempt round two

Getting ready to submit my upgrade request to cat 3 again. Wish me luck!

4/2/06 - Deer Creek Ohio - 22 out of 40
2/24/07 - Hartford Season Opener Ohio - 10 out of 21
3/3/07 - Tour of Pickaway County Ohio - 8 out of 15
3/10/07 - Hocking Hills Ohio - 8 out of 22
3/24/07 - Mid Ohio Tour Ohio - 2 out of 32
3/31/07 - Grand Prix of Richland Ohio - 8 out of 40
4/1/07 - Lynchburg Ohio - 10 out of 45
7/4/07 - Barbour Detour WV - 13 out of 32
8/5/07 - Zoar Ohio - 8 out of 16
8/12/07 - Milk Race Ohio - 8 out of 36
2/16/08 - Frosty Toes Ohio - 2 out of 21
4/5/08 - Green Tour Ohio - 1 out of 22
4/12/08 – Deer Creek Ohio – 1 out of 15
4/19/08 – Race at the Lakes, Athens Ohio – 9 out of 52
4/26/08 – Perry County Ohio – 2 out of 12
5/3/08 – Wilkesville Ohio – 4 out of 14
__________________
I may be fat but I'm slow enough to make up for it.
LowCel is offline  
Old 05-05-08, 06:04 AM
  #2  
substructure
RustyTainte
 
substructure's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: 28012
Posts: 12,343

Bikes: zilch

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Good luck man.
substructure is offline  
Old 05-05-08, 06:37 AM
  #3  
MDcatV
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 6,840
Mentioned: 7 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 30 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
dont forget to include your race distances, and type of race (crit/road race/circuit race)
MDcatV is offline  
Old 05-05-08, 06:39 AM
  #4  
jfmckenna
Tiocfáidh ár Lá
 
jfmckenna's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: The edge of b#
Posts: 5,445

Bikes: A whole bunch-a bikes.

Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 264 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
LowCel I'm guessing they didn't give it to you the first time b/c of field sizes? If so you should travel to NC or the DC area to get some larger fields and points that count. Just looking at your results it looks like it could have been harder to get the 9 out of 52 in the Race at the Lakes, Athens Ohio then the 1 out of 15 in Deer Creek Ohio.
jfmckenna is offline  
Old 05-05-08, 06:45 AM
  #5  
LowCel 
Throw the stick!!!!
Thread Starter
 
LowCel's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Charleston, WV
Posts: 18,071

Bikes: GMC Denali

Mentioned: 7 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 102 Post(s)
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
Actually I think it may have been denied because they are Team Columbus races. The first time I attempted was on 4/6. At that time I only had two seconds and one win, hopefully the new results will be better. If not then I give up.

I can't justify driving twelve hours a weekend (round trip to dc) or ten hours a weekend (round trip to Charlotte). It's expensive enough just driving to Ohio.

As for the 1 out of 15 at Deer Creek I have to disagree with you. That was a solo breakaway that hurt like hell!
__________________
I may be fat but I'm slow enough to make up for it.
LowCel is offline  
Old 05-05-08, 06:45 AM
  #6  
LowCel 
Throw the stick!!!!
Thread Starter
 
LowCel's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Charleston, WV
Posts: 18,071

Bikes: GMC Denali

Mentioned: 7 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 102 Post(s)
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
Originally Posted by MDcatV View Post
dont forget to include your race distances, and type of race (crit/road race/circuit race)
Oops....too late. They are all road races except for race at the lakes though.
__________________
I may be fat but I'm slow enough to make up for it.
LowCel is offline  
Old 05-05-08, 07:00 AM
  #7  
MDcatV
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 6,840
Mentioned: 7 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 30 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by LowCel View Post
Oops....too late. They are all road races except for race at the lakes though.
Consider re-submitting, review the USAC rules for the information that is required and make sure you have all your "i"s dotted and "t"s crossed. Since you have small field sizes, which will count against you, you need to be sure that you're giving all the relevant info to "sway" the coordinator that you are deserving of the upgrade. I have no idea about yours, but some coordinators will just reject your request without even reviewing it (which is within their rights) since you didnt include all the required information.
MDcatV is offline  
Old 05-05-08, 07:24 AM
  #8  
curveship
wavylines
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Bull City
Posts: 541
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by LowCel View Post
Actually I think it may have been denied because they are Team Columbus races.
Bingo. Kirk has said that Tym Tyler's races WILL NOT be considered for upgrades. So he's going to see your list, cross off all the Tyler races, see that not much is left, and tell you no.

I agree that sucks.

For people out of the area, it's not the size or distance that will be a problem. It's about a spat between one organizer (Tym Tyler) and USAC. The quality of (many of) Tym's races has been going down for a while. USAC decided to play hardball.
curveship is offline  
Old 05-05-08, 07:41 AM
  #9  
LowCel 
Throw the stick!!!!
Thread Starter
 
LowCel's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Charleston, WV
Posts: 18,071

Bikes: GMC Denali

Mentioned: 7 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 102 Post(s)
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
Originally Posted by curveship View Post
Bingo. Kirk has said that Tym Tyler's races WILL NOT be considered for upgrades. So he's going to see your list, cross off all the Tyler races, see that not much is left, and tell you no.

I agree that sucks.

For people out of the area, it's not the size or distance that will be a problem. It's about a spat between one organizer (Tym Tyler) and USAC. The quality of (many of) Tym's races has been going down for a while. USAC decided to play hardball.
Kirk isn't my rep so I'm hoping for the best but prepared for the worst.

In Tym's defense I have to say that the quality of his races has really increased lately. The courses have been marked and the escorts, corner marshalls, and the cops have been awesome. It's really a shame that Tym and USAC can't get their issues resolved. The prizes have even been much better than in the past. The only downsides to his races lately have been participation and not being USAC.
__________________
I may be fat but I'm slow enough to make up for it.
LowCel is offline  
Old 05-05-08, 07:54 AM
  #10  
wfrogge
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 3,917
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
What did you submit before?
wfrogge is offline  
Old 05-05-08, 07:58 AM
  #11  
LowCel 
Throw the stick!!!!
Thread Starter
 
LowCel's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Charleston, WV
Posts: 18,071

Bikes: GMC Denali

Mentioned: 7 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 102 Post(s)
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
Originally Posted by wfrogge View Post
What did you submit before?
4/2/06 - Deer Creek Ohio - 22 out of 40
2/24/07 - Hartford Season Opener Ohio - 10 out of 21
3/3/07 - Tour of Pickaway County Ohio - 8 out of 15
3/10/07 - Hocking Hills Ohio - 8 out of 22
3/24/07 - Mid Ohio Tour Ohio - 2 out of 32
3/31/07 - Grand Prix of Richland Ohio - 8 out of 40
4/1/07 - Lynchburg Ohio - 10 out of 45
7/4/07 - Barbour Detour WV - 13 out of 32
8/5/07 - Zoar Ohio - 8 out of 16
8/12/07 - Milk Race Ohio - 8 out of 36
2/16/08 - Frosty Toes Ohio - 2 out of 21
4/5/08 - Green Tour Ohio - 1 out of 22

The rep responded with a very positive response. Told me that I was very close to the upgrade and that he expected to hear back from me with another request in the near future.
__________________
I may be fat but I'm slow enough to make up for it.
LowCel is offline  
Old 05-05-08, 08:17 AM
  #12  
wfrogge
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 3,917
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by LowCel View Post
4/2/06 - Deer Creek Ohio - 22 out of 40
2/24/07 - Hartford Season Opener Ohio - 10 out of 21
3/3/07 - Tour of Pickaway County Ohio - 8 out of 15
3/10/07 - Hocking Hills Ohio - 8 out of 22
3/24/07 - Mid Ohio Tour Ohio - 2 out of 32
3/31/07 - Grand Prix of Richland Ohio - 8 out of 40
4/1/07 - Lynchburg Ohio - 10 out of 45
7/4/07 - Barbour Detour WV - 13 out of 32
8/5/07 - Zoar Ohio - 8 out of 16
8/12/07 - Milk Race Ohio - 8 out of 36
2/16/08 - Frosty Toes Ohio - 2 out of 21
4/5/08 - Green Tour Ohio - 1 out of 22

The rep responded with a very positive response. Told me that I was very close to the upgrade and that he expected to hear back from me with another request in the near future.
Wow.... From others with similar results as you they have given the upgrades (biggest difference is field size though).


Good luck!
wfrogge is offline  
Old 05-05-08, 08:22 AM
  #13  
Apus^2
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Looking for my right leg muscles.
Posts: 1,202

Bikes: 2000 Cannondale CAAD3 Triple 105/Ultegra

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Quick tally says you have about 29 points, 9 over the required 20 points, using the new weighted system. You should be fine. 5 top 5s (not counting the one 3/24/07 because it isn't in the 12 month period) and 8 top 10 finishes. Good luck!

One more point and you would technically have a forced upgrade.
Apus^2 is offline  
Old 05-05-08, 08:28 AM
  #14  
curveship
wavylines
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Bull City
Posts: 541
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by LowCel View Post
Kirk isn't my rep so I'm hoping for the best but prepared for the worst.
Oh yeah, I forgot you're in WV. Good luck.

Whenever they reschedule Bull Run, it had pretty big packs and enough distance to get good points. Don't know how far a drive that is for you, though.
curveship is offline  
Old 05-05-08, 11:41 AM
  #15  
bayareawheeler
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 790
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
wow - different world I tell ya. I have not raced one event with less then 75 competitors.

good luck! (ive got enough top tens and a few placings to request an upgrade but to be honest Im having a good time mixing it up in the end and decided I wont even bother requesting an upgrade without a win)
bayareawheeler is offline  
Old 05-05-08, 11:58 AM
  #16  
curveship
wavylines
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Bull City
Posts: 541
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by bayareawheeler View Post
wow - different world I tell ya. I have not raced one event with less then 75 competitors.
While not 75, most of these races would have been closer to 50 riders in past years. People are boycotting them currently b/c of the kerfuffle between Tyler and USAC.
curveship is offline  
Old 05-05-08, 12:13 PM
  #17  
fly:yes/land:no
abandoning
 
fly:yes/land:no's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 2,068
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
kerfuffle?
fly:yes/land:no is offline  
Old 05-05-08, 12:17 PM
  #18  
LowCel 
Throw the stick!!!!
Thread Starter
 
LowCel's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Charleston, WV
Posts: 18,071

Bikes: GMC Denali

Mentioned: 7 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 102 Post(s)
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
Originally Posted by fly:yes/land:no View Post
kerfuffle?
I just added it to my mental dictionary. Seems like a word I will be able to use on a relatively regular basis. Then again, what the kerfuffle do I know?
__________________
I may be fat but I'm slow enough to make up for it.
LowCel is offline  
Old 05-05-08, 01:01 PM
  #19  
substructure
RustyTainte
 
substructure's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: 28012
Posts: 12,343

Bikes: zilch

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by LowCel View Post
I just added it to my mental dictionary. Seems like a word I will be able to use on a relatively regular basis. Then again, what the kerfuffle do I know?
Not a kerfuffling thing.
How long do you think it will take for them to respond?
substructure is offline  
Old 05-05-08, 01:07 PM
  #20  
LowCel 
Throw the stick!!!!
Thread Starter
 
LowCel's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Charleston, WV
Posts: 18,071

Bikes: GMC Denali

Mentioned: 7 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 102 Post(s)
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
Originally Posted by substructure View Post
Not a kerfuffling thing.
How long do you think it will take for them to respond?
It took about a week for them to deny me the last time. I would like to have a response before the weekend though. The cat 4/5 race this weekend is 36 miles, the 1/2/3 race is 72 miles. However I'm pretty confident I will be able to get dropped in the first 36 miles.
__________________
I may be fat but I'm slow enough to make up for it.
LowCel is offline  
Old 05-05-08, 01:19 PM
  #21  
substructure
RustyTainte
 
substructure's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: 28012
Posts: 12,343

Bikes: zilch

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by LowCel View Post
It took about a week for them to deny me the last time. I would like to have a response before the weekend though. The cat 4/5 race this weekend is 36 miles, the 1/2/3 race is 72 miles. However I'm pretty confident I will be able to get dropped in the first 36 miles.
When I was off the bike Saturday watching the race instead of competing, I spoke with a fellow competitor. He recently upgraded to a 3. The Dilworth crit was a cat2/3 race. He was dropped and pissed. I was proud of him though. Some guys would shy away from such a task, racing against 2s that have been in Pro/1/2 races all year. Sure they beat up on the 3s like narcs at a biker rally. They deserved to. It was their time to show the world what they are made of.
substructure is offline  
Old 05-05-08, 01:30 PM
  #22  
king-tony
Ninja don't wear flipflop
 
king-tony's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: NE TN
Posts: 1,443

Bikes: Specialized S-Works Roubaix SL3, BMC TM01...if it every ships

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by LowCel View Post
It took about a week for them to deny me the last time. I would like to have a response before the weekend though. The cat 4/5 race this weekend is 36 miles, the 1/2/3 race is 72 miles. However I'm pretty confident I will be able to get dropped in the first 36 miles.
A week? Geez, how many handguns could you buy in that much time?
king-tony is offline  
Old 05-05-08, 01:31 PM
  #23  
substructure
RustyTainte
 
substructure's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: 28012
Posts: 12,343

Bikes: zilch

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by king-tony View Post
A week? Geez, how many handguns could you buy in that much time?
With or without street cred?
substructure is offline  
Old 05-06-08, 05:38 AM
  #24  
LowCel 
Throw the stick!!!!
Thread Starter
 
LowCel's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Charleston, WV
Posts: 18,071

Bikes: GMC Denali

Mentioned: 7 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 102 Post(s)
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
Good news.......I haven't been denied yet.
__________________
I may be fat but I'm slow enough to make up for it.
LowCel is offline  
Old 05-06-08, 05:40 AM
  #25  
substructure
RustyTainte
 
substructure's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: 28012
Posts: 12,343

Bikes: zilch

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by LowCel View Post
Good news.......I haven't been denied yet.
No news is good news, huh?
substructure is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright © 2018 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.