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View Poll Results: Is it okay to wear a national championship jersey that was not earned by the wearer
No, it is not okay, one must earn the right to wear a championship jersey
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Yes, it is okay to wear championship jerseys that were not earned in combat
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It is okay to wear the jersey if permission was given by the person who won it
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I have no opinion on this matter
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Is it okay to wear a national championship jersey that you have not earned?

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Old 07-05-08, 01:10 PM
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Is it okay to wear a national championship jersey that you have not earned?

Here is the situation. I ride with a friend whose father was an Olympic cyclist and an 18 time national champion. He gave one of his national champion jerseys to my friend's wife and another to a local rider. Yesterday, in celebration of the 4th of July, they both wore the stars and stripes jerseys to our club ride. My contention is that championship jerseys have a very special meaning in the cycling community, and they should be worn only by those who earned them in combat. I trained hard and suffered to win the jerseys that I have, and my opinion is that it disrepects the legitimate winner's accomplishments by wearing and unearned jersey.

My friend argues that his Olympian father bestowed the right on these posers to wear the jerseys, but I argue that even though his father happens to be one of my heroes, even his father had no right to grant wearning priveleges to one who has not earned the jersey. Another example that I used to make my point was that if someone gave me a medal of honor, I damn sure have no right to wear it in public. Understand, I am not comparing a medal of honor to a championship jersey, but the arguments are similar.

Bottom line, am I off base thinking that one must train very hard and race one's brains out in quest of a legitimate jersey, or is it okay to cheapen the jersey for those who earned it?

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Old 07-05-08, 01:13 PM
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As someone with 2 nat'l championship titles I say you need to earn the right to wear it.

I have a US national champ jersey in my closet (a gift from a sponsor) and I have never worn it out of respect for those who did earn one.
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Bob, thanks for your comments and congratulations on your 2 national titles!

I enjoyed your blog - I was particularly intriqued by your comments re use of a power meter. I have avoided use of one, although I am intrigued by the readouts. My son loves his, but I have continued to resist. My rationale is that I have too many wheelsets!

Anyway, it was distressing enough to see my HR at 195 in my last race - that's all I need is more startling data to look at!!

Also, I think you replied within moments of the post, please go back and cast your vote in that I also made the thread a poll. Thanks.
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I voted no before reading the post. I think if the jersey is worn on Independence Day as a tribute to the Champion or as a patriotic gesture, it's good.
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I voted no before reading the post. I think if the jersey is worn on Independence Day as a tribute to the Champion or as a patriotic gesture, it's good.
Unfortunately, or perhaps fortunately, jerseys have always been meant as a honor/tribute the the wearer - the person who earned it. If we start making special cases then it can replicate itself into meaningless jerseys. I think there are other ways to honor champions other than wearing that champion's jersey, and there are certainly better ways to display your patriotism on the 4th than wearing a jersey awarded to some one who earned it through blood, sweat and puke. For example, you can scare the crap out of my dog with incessant fireworks!
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Originally Posted by skydive69 View Post
Here is the situation. I ride with a friend whose father was an Olympic cyclist and an 18 time national champion. He gave one of his national champion jerseys to my friend's wife and another to a local rider. Yesterday, in celebration of the 4th of July, they both wore the stars and stripes jerseys to our club ride. My contention is that championship jerseys have a very special meaning in the cycling community, and they should be worn only by those who earned them in combat. I trained hard and suffered to win the jerseys that I have, and my opinion is that it disrepects the legitimate winner's accomplishments by wearing and unearned jersey.

My friend argues that his Olympian father bestowed the right on these posers to wear the jerseys, but I argue that even though his father happens to be one of my heroes, even his father had no right to grant wearning priveleges to one who has not earned the jersey. Another example that I used to make my point was that if someone gave me a medal of honor, I damn sure have no right to wear it in public. Understand, I am not comparing a medal of honor to a championship jersey, but the arguments are similar.

Bottom line, am I off base thinking that one must train very hard and race one's brains out in quest of a legitimate jersey, or is it okay to cheapen the jersey for those who earned it?

Get some perspective, then we'll talk.
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I think it would be okay if you weren't a high level competitor or a contender, and you had permission from the owner, so I have no problem with those people wearing it to celebrate July 4. On the other hand, I'm sure many people who actually compete at the national level would probably feel the same as Bob Dopolina and not want to wear it unless they earned it.
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I would not wear it in competition.
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Old 07-05-08, 02:21 PM
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It's called freedom of speech. Quite a fight to pick on the 4th.
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Originally Posted by kniprm View Post
Get some perspective, then we'll talk.
Could you be more specific or would prefer that I attempt to read your mind?
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I think it would be okay if you weren't a high level competitor or a contender, and you had permission from the owner, so I have no problem with those people wearing it to celebrate July 4. On the other hand, I'm sure many people who actually compete at the national level would probably feel the same as Bob Dopolina and not want to wear it unless they earned it.
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- In general, I would object.

- In this case, I see nothing wrong.

- That someone with one is doing the *****ing, lessens its value more than someone wearing one.

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Rider trying to pass himself off as a champ wearing someone else's jersey, the guy's not right in the head. Cyclist wearing his dad's jersey to honor him on the fourth? No problem with that. And ultimately, I'm not even going to ask. The reputation of most champion riders is known; when they show up, we know who they are. Those wearing a jersey who didn't earn them, they are wearing them for a thousand different reasons: tribute to father, looks cool, etc... There's no confusion on my part, we know who these people are as well.

I believe other folks have said in other threads, probably not much different from an out-of-shape beer-swilling softball player wearing a Florida Marlins' jersey on at a fourth of July picnic. Sure... it might bother some that he didn't earn it... but most would know that he was just trying to pay some form of tribute.

So, no- I'm not bothered. Maybe a little bit Fred-ish... but not offensive.
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Originally Posted by skydive69 View Post
Could you be more specific or would prefer that I attempt to read your mind?
I quoted you in my previous post. That should be plenty.

If not, try this:

IT'S BIKE RACING FOR CHRIST'S SAKE!
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I have a few rules regarding jerseys. First no National/World Championship jerseys unless you've earned them. Second if you are a big fat guy who needs a triple to get out of your driveway do not wear a polka dot jersey.
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It's a club ride, who cares what anyone wears.

I saw an old guy with world champ stripes on his jersey, pretty sure it wasn't Cipo or Boonen
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Originally Posted by kniprm View Post
I quoted you in my previous post. That should be plenty.

If not, try this:

IT'S BIKE RACING FOR CHRIST'S SAKE!
Oh, okay, you are crystal clear now! You haven't crashed recently sans helmet have you? Everything is going to be alright, just remain calm - really, it will be, trust me! Now let me slowly back out of the room....
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Originally Posted by w4ta View Post
Rider trying to pass himself off as a champ wearing someone else's jersey, the guy's not right in the head. Cyclist wearing his dad's jersey to honor him on the fourth? No problem with that. And ultimately, I'm not even going to ask. The reputation of most champion riders is known; when they show up, we know who they are. Those wearing a jersey who didn't earn them, they are wearing them for a thousand different reasons: tribute to father, looks cool, etc... There's no confusion on my part, we know who these people are as well.

I believe other folks have said in other threads, probably not much different from an out-of-shape beer-swilling softball player wearing a Florida Marlins' jersey on at a fourth of July picnic. Sure... it might bother some that he didn't earn it... but most would know that he was just trying to pay some form of tribute.

So, no- I'm not bothered. Maybe a little bit Fred-ish... but not offensive.
I pretty much agree with this.
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Originally Posted by MONGO! View Post
It's a club ride, who cares what anyone wears.

I saw an old guy with world champ stripes on his jersey, pretty sure it wasn't Cipo or Boonen
I guess I wouldn't have started this thread if I didn't care what anyone wears in a club ride, now would I? That's whole point. People who win championship jerseys frequently ride for teams and tend to wear their team kit when competing. They often wear their jerseys on club rides. Then again, I guess you are clear as to your vote - you don't care - thanks for voting!

I would guess that anyone who has ever won a jersey or perhaps has a chance to do so someday probably cares. The non racer or the perpetual middle of the pack competitor probably couldn't care less unless they appreciate the traditions of the sport.
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From your poll -
"Yes, it is okay to wear championship jerseys that were not earned in combat"

There are those who might find the notion of comparing amateur cycling to warfare, and trophy jerseys to medals of honor won in life or death combat to be clueless , appalling and offensive. I certainly do. You really do need to get a grip.
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Only the current Champion is allowed to wear the Champion's jersey in competition. Past Champions don't wear the jersey. Ever. I have Sock Guy socks with World Championship stripes. Should I turn them inside out? The Champion gave a few jerseys to people he likes, not you. Did he expect them to put in glass display case or to wear? Ask the guy who won the jerseys. He earned them, not you. I doubt he has a problem with them being worn.
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It's a no-no in competition and it's up for debate in general public (the wearer has a choice, any earners can choose to be offended of not, and everyone else should STFU). Since I do race, I never wear those out of respect for those who have earned them, but that's my way of paying respect to them.
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Originally Posted by skydive69 View Post
He gave one of his national champion jerseys to my friend's wife and another to a local rider. Yesterday, in celebration of the 4th of July, they both wore the stars and stripes jerseys to our club ride.
Problem solved is solved to everyone's satisfaction with a Sharpee. He can sign the jersey, and it makes it clear that it is a tribute.
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