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Old 07-08-08, 10:13 AM
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Peiffer Hill road race

Anyone doing this race this weekend? Looks like a nice route.

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Old 07-08-08, 07:03 PM
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Nope, most of my team and the other guys I know are not racing any pro am races, Butterworth is a
pr!ck for cancelling most of the lancaster races and screwing people who prepaid for the whole season out of their money. I suspect there will be a small turnout like brownstown.

If you do go, it is a great course with a pretty tough hill. Good luck!
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Old 07-09-08, 06:52 AM
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Nope, most of my team and the other guys I know are not racing any pro am races, Butterworth is a
pr!ck for cancelling most of the lancaster races and screwing people who prepaid for the whole season out of their money. I suspect there will be a small turnout like brownstown.

If you do go, it is a great course with a pretty tough hill. Good luck!
Damn...a race sponsor overcharging and being a prick??? No!!! If I'd known the backstorey I'd of skipped it too but he's aleady got my money.
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Damn...a race sponsor overcharging and being a prick??? No!!! If I'd known the backstorey I'd of skipped it too but he's aleady got my money.
how much do you think a race should cost?
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how much do you think a race should cost?
A team I was on two years ago sponsored a nice sized race. Entry fee was $20 and that included a nice pint glass with the race title on it. That seems reasonable wouldn't you agree?
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^maybe for an industrial park crit where you need no police escort and with no intersections that require police road guarding, dont have EMTs on course, require minimal USAC offical presence, and have a less than stellar prize list/or have most of the prize list donated to you. For an RR or downtown crit, the promoter would lose their shirt on a $20 entry fee.

I'm the treasurer for a small cycling club that promotes a road race annually in MABRA. Our entry fee is $30 pre-reg and $35 day of, and we typically see around 300 participants. After the costs of putting on a race (with all labor being volunteer efforts from the club members) I can assure you that we arent getting new team bikes, wheels, or groupsets on that fee. There is no one getting wealthy on race promotion.
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^maybe for an industrial park crit where you need no police escort and with no intersections that require police road guarding, dont have EMTs on course, require minimal USAC offical presence, and have a less than stellar prize list/or have most of the prize list donated to you. For an RR or downtown crit, the promoter would lose their shirt on a $20 entry fee.

I'm the treasurer for a small cycling club that promotes a road race annually in MABRA. Our entry fee is $30 pre-reg and $35 day of, and we typically see around 300 participants. After the costs of putting on a race (with all labor being volunteer efforts from the club members) I can assure you that we arent getting new team bikes, wheels, or groupsets on that fee. There is no one getting wealthy on race promotion.
If you wouldn't mind be transparent--how much net profit do you make off each rider?
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If you wouldn't mind be transparent--how much net profit do you make off each rider?
havent done that kind of detailed analysis, and it depends on a bunch of donation factors (i.e. our race is a memorial to someone who died in a car crash and his parents give us a donation, depends on the prize list and how much of it is donated by other sponsors, same for variable race day costs like food for volunteers/officials/police/EMTs, etc., etc., etc.) but quick math off the top of my head, it comes out in the neighborhood of $5-$6/rider.
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Damn...a race sponsor overcharging and being a prick??? No!!! If I'd known the backstorey I'd of skipped it too but he's aleady got my money.
I didn't say he is overcharging for this race, the price is fine. I'm not gonna go into detail about what happened, search for red rose races and you can read all about it, but he cancelled a lot of races in lancaster county, and before the season there was an option to pre pay for the whole season at a discount. A lot of guys did including several of my teammates and now they are out a lot of cas

In my short 1 1/2 year racing career I never personally had a problem with Butterworth but many have. His races I did last year were very good and I'd love to do them again this year, but because of what happened I choose not to. If anyone chooses to race at his events, that's fine with me, to each their own. Thankfully many people have stepped up to offer some alternative to the Pro-Am races and I will support them

Like I said, Peiffer Hill is a great course, have fun and let us know how you do.
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