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asmallsol 07-16-08 08:05 AM

TDF Rider # 2 Positive 168 to go
 
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/mai.../uotour116.xml

JoesInBoston 07-16-08 08:46 AM

"Police raided the hotel were Barloworld were staying before the start of today's 11th stage and left with the rider who was to be questioned, witnesses said."


Is raiding the hotel really necessary?

CyLowe97 07-16-08 08:47 AM


Originally Posted by JoesInBoston (Post 7070402)
Is raiding the hotel really necessary?

IT just sounds badass. Bunch o' beefed up gendarmes manhandling a bunch o' emaciated chested cyclists.

Get the tasers! He's got a needle!!

Dubbayoo 07-16-08 09:08 AM

It makes sense guys are getting caught. Up to now there has not been a reliable test for epo so I guess people thought they'd still get away with that.

tekhna 07-16-08 09:14 AM


Originally Posted by Dubbayoo (Post 7070551)
It makes sense guys are getting caught. Up to now there has not been a reliable test for epo so I guess people thought they'd still get away with that.

So are people really racing clean, or is there some new designer drug testers haven't caught wind of yet? Overall the speeds of this tour do seem a bit lower.

patentcad 07-16-08 09:28 AM

I wish I would test positive.

Who the hell ever heard of this friggin mope? What was he the Lantern Rouge?

marin1 07-16-08 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by patentcad (Post 7070694)
I wish I would test positive.

Who the hell ever heard of this friggin mope? What was he the Lantern Rouge?

:thumb:

fly:yes/land:no 07-16-08 09:53 AM


Originally Posted by patentcad (Post 7070694)
I wish I would test positive.

Who the hell ever heard of this friggin mope? What was he the Lantern Rouge?

he is actually a damn good rider. won the tour de l'avenir two years ago. finished 37th overall in the tour last year as agritubel's highest gc rider. he was barloworld's team leader after soler went down. finished 11th yesterday, ahead of valverde, schumi, kirchen, andy schleck, cesar, sanchez, zubeldia, etc. and sitting 19th overall. he is somewhere between good and exceptional when it comes to climbing. perhaps he felt pressure to perform after he became the gc leader for barloworld. speaking of which, i really wish robbie hunter was on a different team. there is no doubt that the guy would be loved by many fans if he was on a more popular team.

ElJamoquio 07-16-08 09:57 AM


Originally Posted by Dubbayoo (Post 7070551)
It makes sense guys are getting caught. Up to now there has not been a reliable test for epo so I guess people thought they'd still get away with that.

So the racers are taking EPO during the tour itself? My understanding of EPO is all hearsay and conjecture, but I thought that you took it a month beforehand. Would it even help now? Don't the RBC's need time to mature?

Or is this new test able to detect EPO longer? That would be a godsend to doping control.

ericcox 07-16-08 10:39 AM

My understanding is that to maintain the benefits longer, smaller doses are used to maintain inflated values. Did a quick search and came across a faq defending the use of EPO by athletes & providing details on how to obtain & maintain high hematocrit levels.

esammuli 07-16-08 10:46 AM

^^^what he said^^^

I believe that your hematocrit level tends to drop during a long tour. By using supplemental EPO during the race you can maintain a high hematocrit.

ifox 07-16-08 02:48 PM

nah, it's 167 to go. they need to leave one French rider alone. this way he will win TdF. Maybe.

patentcad 07-16-08 02:54 PM


Originally Posted by fly:yes/land:no (Post 7070911)
he is actually a damn good rider. won the tour de l'avenir two years ago. finished 37th overall in the tour last year as agritubel's highest gc rider. he was barloworld's team leader after soler went down. finished 11th yesterday, ahead of valverde, schumi, kirchen, andy schleck, cesar, sanchez, zubeldia, etc. and sitting 19th overall. he is somewhere between good and exceptional when it comes to climbing.

And apparently, we have learned why.

ri_us 07-16-08 02:55 PM

Why do you think they're all doping? Because they're all faster than you? Did you believe it when you're mother said you're the bestest ever?!

patentcad 07-16-08 02:56 PM

You are NOT going to clean up the Tour de France without catching more dopers. That's not possible. I'd be more skeptical if NOBODY was being caught in this year's Tour.

patentcad 07-16-08 02:56 PM


Originally Posted by ri_us (Post 7073363)
Why do you think they're all doping? Because they're all faster than you? Did you believe it when you're mother said you're the bestest ever?!

Everybody is faster than me (except Chipcom).

No I don't think they're all doping. That's the point.

marin1 07-16-08 03:36 PM


Originally Posted by patentcad (Post 7073369)
You are NOT going to clean up the Tour de France without catching more dopers. That's not possible. I'd be more skeptical if NOBODY was being caught in this year's Tour.

But depending who they catch you doubt the french lab.

eskimo85 07-16-08 03:40 PM

its nice to see this type of thing... and they are happening in small doses so maybe things are much much better and now its just time for cleaning up the scraps.

bdcheung 07-16-08 04:31 PM


Originally Posted by marin1 (Post 7073662)
But depending who they catch you doubt the french lab.

I still doubt the labs competence

mrbubbles 07-16-08 04:34 PM


Originally Posted by marin1 (Post 7073662)
But depending who they catch you doubt the french lab.

Always pinning it on the French.

Bacciagalupe 07-16-08 05:01 PM


Originally Posted by JoesInBoston (Post 7070402)
Is raiding the hotel really necessary?

Yep.

1) The rider can clearly claim they were clean, it was a mistake, and so forth. If they actually kept evidence (drugs or blood bags) in their hotel room, finding them would be definitive evidence.

2) Doping is illegal in France, so the more evidence they can get, the tighter the case.

3) If you get busted in a parking lot with a couple of joints, why wouldn't a cop want to search your car too?

blanqui 07-16-08 05:08 PM


Originally Posted by CyLowe97 (Post 7070413)
IT just sounds badass. Bunch o' beefed up gendarmes manhandling a bunch o' emaciated chested cyclists.

Get the tasers! He's got a needle!!

I've some first-hand experience with the CRS (French riot police). Say what you want about the performance of their military May of '40, but their riot police are some hardboiled mofos.

Bob Dopolina 07-16-08 05:57 PM


Originally Posted by Dubbayoo (Post 7070551)
It makes sense guys are getting caught. Up to now there has not been a reliable test for epo so I guess people thought they'd still get away with that.

The recent doubt about the reliability of the EPO test has only recently come into question. It may be fine. It's a question, not a denunciation of the test.

The riders believed the test to be reliable. That's all that matters. The same overall effect is achieved. Those who will risk it will still risk it.

The system of doping is still in place and the culture of doping, although losing ground, still exists.

"Riders testing positive? Who cares?"

"Next."

"So Son, do you like working at that tire factory?"

DrPete 07-16-08 06:00 PM

After all the high-profile crap it's astounding that riders would continue to juice.

asmallsol 07-16-08 06:01 PM


Originally Posted by ri_us (Post 7073363)
Why do you think they're all doping? Because they're all faster than you?

It's the only logical explanation. :P


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