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Old 07-30-08, 08:42 AM
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Ricco Actualy Amits it

Well ricco finally came clean unlike your floyd lanis's of the world...

https://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?...l08/jul30news3

I found this very interesting...

Riccò has withdrawn his request to have a counter-analysis done on the B-sample, but said that the testing procedure needed some work. "Of the 10 controls taken, only two were positive. In theory all the tests should have been positive, therefore the method needs to be checked," he said.
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Originally Posted by asmallsol View Post
Well ricco finally came clean unlike your floyd lanis's of the world...

https://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?...l08/jul30news3

I found this very interesting...

Riccò has withdrawn his request to have a counter-analysis done on the B-sample, but said that the testing procedure needed some work. "Of the 10 controls taken, only two were positive. In theory all the tests should have been positive, therefore the method needs to be checked," he said.
Ouch!
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Old 07-30-08, 09:06 AM
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**** nut

Good stuff though. You can't write this stuff.
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Originally Posted by asmallsol View Post
Well ricco finally came clean unlike your floyd lanis's of the world...
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Not to rehash old news but I really don't think Floyd was guilty of intentionally doping with testosterone. Floyd had enough experience to know that a.)testosterone would have no benefit to him in a single dose and b.) would be easily detected. I still scratch my head over that in a 'serious WTF happened there kind of way.

Ricco's a f'nut - couldn't have happened to a nicer guy.
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Old 07-30-08, 09:29 AM
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I wish I could test positive. I wish I could race well enough to warrant a trip to doping controls. Nobody ever pulls 21st place in the 35+ race and drags them to the Doping Control Trailer. The only dope control in Prospect Park is when you pull up to the Kissena guy who slammed into the jogger and whack him upside the Giro helmet and say 'Whaddya do THAT for?'.
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Wow - considering all of the immature trash talk Ricco has provided in the past, I am surprised to see him do the stand up thing here. Yes, the best thing would have been to not do it at all, or to admit it before getting busted, but at least he hasn't continued to deny, deny, deny. Maybe some good can come from this (specifically improved testing methods).
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So, what will happen with the Ricco and the UCI? Given the ASO/UCI hissy-fit will the findings from the French anti-doping crew be reported to the UCI?

Will Ricco be the next Italian David Millar?
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Old 07-30-08, 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by HigherGround View Post
Wow - considering all of the immature trash talk Ricco has provided in the past, I am surprised to see him do the stand up thing here. Yes, the best thing would have been to not do it at all, or to admit it before getting busted, but at least he hasn't continued to deny, deny, deny. Maybe some good can come from this (specifically improved testing methods).
Concur.

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Will Ricco be the next Italian David Millar?
No.

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Old 07-30-08, 10:18 AM
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Ouch!
Not necessarily. It would depend on when it was taken because EPO has short half-life.
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Originally Posted by carlfreddy View Post
Will Ricco be the next Italian David Millar?
I admit, I was also wondering if we'd be seeing the Cobra in argyle in two years.
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Originally Posted by HigherGround View Post
I admit, I was also wondering if we'd be seeing the Cobra in argyle in two years.

I think snake venom and black of Rock Racing is more likely
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Old 07-30-08, 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by HigherGround View Post
Wow - considering all of the immature trash talk Ricco has provided in the past, I am surprised to see him do the stand up thing here. Yes, the best thing would have been to not do it at all, or to admit it before getting busted, but at least he hasn't continued to deny, deny, deny. Maybe some good can come from this (specifically improved testing methods).
+1

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Not to rehash old news but I really don't think Floyd was guilty of intentionally doping with testosterone. Floyd had enough experience to know that a.)testosterone would have no benefit to him in a single dose and b.) would be easily detected. I still scratch my head over that in a 'serious WTF happened there kind of way.
I was doing the WTF thing over that one too, and wanted to believe that he was innocent - until I read a very plausible theory. That theory stated that Landis blood doped. The blood that they withdrew from his system early in the season had testosterone in it, since he was using it in training at that time. So, when they injected that back into him to help him recover prior to stage 17, the testosterone showed up. Just a theory, but very possible.
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Old 07-30-08, 10:45 AM
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I was doing the WTF thing over that one too, and wanted to believe that he was innocent - until I read a very plausible theory. That theory stated that Landis blood doped. The blood that they withdrew from his system early in the season had testosterone in it, since he was using it in training at that time. So, when they injected that back into him to help him recover prior to stage 17, the testosterone showed up. Just a theory, but very possible.
I heard that theory too. Its the only one that remotely makes sense of intentional wrong doing on the part of Landis. But if you're going to go down that road you also have to admit its pretty plausible that someone could have accidentally or intentionally tainted either the sample or Landis himself (testosterone can be applied in a cream, for example - something that could have been applied any number of ways without the rider knowing.) That's just a theory also of course. We'll probably never know. It just bugs me that he was popped for something easily detectable and that has no benefit from 1 use. I don't think the real truth has come out and its not likely too. His ride wasn't as incredible as it seemed. A lot of what he did that day was totally because the peloton couldn't organize. H3ll, they slowed to something like 13mph while they argued about it at one point.

edit: I'm not saying he's innocent, I just find it hard to believe that he intentionally and knowingly doped testosterone right before that stage.
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Old 07-30-08, 11:04 AM
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By saying he acted alone he's taking one for the team.

He's a young rider and smart enough to know that if he own's up and repents, he'll have plenty more of his career left, like Basso or Millar. The 'deny till the bitter end' route didn't work out too well for Landis or Hamilton.
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Just abandon the idea that he “only used once” and things become much clearer. Certainly makes more sense than yet another conspiracy theory…

Lastly, it is the athlete’s responsibility to know what he is consuming and/or having rubbed on him. They are constantly warned not to go around consuming products of unknown origin. So either way he is a guilty doper.
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Originally Posted by ravenmore View Post
A lot of what he did that day was totally because the peloton couldn't organize. H3ll, they slowed to something like 13mph while they argued about it at one point.
They made three guys from Pereiro's team (I forget now who he raced for) chase. It was well-executed from Phonak and wretchedly executed from the peloton.

I believe Floyd said he 'only' averaged 280 watts for the six-hour ride. We're the same size; I've done that for two hours; and I'm a Cat infinity nobody.
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Landis: I believe there's reasonable doubt there. Too bad that's not the standard used by CAS.
Ricco: 2 years, shut up and race.
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Originally Posted by Enthalpic View Post

Lastly, it is the athlete’s responsibility to know what he is consuming and/or having rubbed on him. They are constantly warned not to go around consuming products of unknown origin. So either way he is a guilty doper.
In my opinion thats a rationality that the anti doping agencies use to wash their hands of that possibility occurring. There's no way a rider, or anyone, could watch everything. That'd make someone a paranoid freak. H3ll, they could've put it in his chamois creme. Even a 'bystander' in the crowd could brush something on him. Again, I AM NOT saying that this is what happened or that he is innocent of doping. I really just don't think he was guilty of what he was popped for - taking a single days worth of synthetic testosterone.

The doping in this years Tour just made me flash back on it so I've been kicking it around lately - especially on long rides when I have nothing else to do.
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Ricco looks to be taking the smartest route out of trouble. Nothing noble about it in my opinion. He doesn't want to go into a big courtroom investigation, because it'll turn up that he cheated in the Giro, too, and he could go to jail for that (sporting fraud). Remember that interview with the dope control guy on Velonews? They had Ricco targeted because they knew he was doping in the Giro.

So his story is that he doped after the Giro, only for the Tour. He keeps his 2nd place finish at the Giro and in 2 years he can race again.
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Originally Posted by Enthalpic View Post
Just abandon the idea that he “only used once” and things become much clearer. Certainly makes more sense than yet another conspiracy theory…

Lastly, it is the athlete’s responsibility to know what he is consuming and/or having rubbed on him. They are constantly warned not to go around consuming products of unknown origin. So either way he is a guilty doper.
+1
and the fact that he tryed to explain his epi ratio off on Jack Daniels the night before as one of his excuses.
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So his story is that he doped after the Giro, only for the Tour. He keeps his 2nd place finish at the Giro and in 2 years he can race again.
No.

He doped after the Giro because he had not planned on entering the Tour.
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Originally Posted by carlfreddy View Post
Will Ricco be the next Italian David Millar?
One is already too many
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I'm with Ravenmore. The flandis thing just doesn't add up. It wouldn't have helped, and he didn't even go fast.
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Originally Posted by brians647 View Post
I was doing the WTF thing over that one too, and wanted to believe that he was innocent - until I read a very plausible theory. That theory stated that Landis blood doped. The blood that they withdrew from his system early in the season had testosterone in it, since he was using it in training at that time. So, when they injected that back into him to help him recover prior to stage 17, the testosterone showed up. Just a theory, but very possible.
what is the source of this theory? this is what I've been telling anyone who would listen all along, that he's a long time blood doper who got caught because of bad QC on the blood stored and used for the transfusion.

according to the doping forum over on cuttingedgemuscle, all the top pros do this, which is how they keep from getting caught unless they get sloppy.
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The main thing that bugged me about both the Landis thing & the Ricco thing was the lack of attention to process. In both cases (moreso in Landis) procedure was not followed. Even leaking of the rider name should not occur after a postive "A" sample. At present, however, no punishment occurs for violation of protocol.

Ricco was guilty. Great. Landis may very well be guilty, but the faulty procedures and lack of attention to protocol allow doubt to be cast.

I also think Riccos' point that not all of his test came back positive points to a larger problem: we are probably still not catching many of those who are doping.
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