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Old 07-30-08, 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted by chinotex View Post
Who carries around their dog like that, I mean really? He just finished a stage and the first thing he does is pick up his dog as he's walking back to his trailer/car/whatever? Dude needs a hot girlfriend, but, after watching these clips, that's doubtful.


Try to pay attention chino. Hey may sound and act gay, but here is with his hot wife. Great looks, plenty of money, elite pro athlete. I would HOPE he could get a hot girl.
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Old 07-30-08, 09:29 PM
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Originally Posted by king-tony View Post
Who says Evans never attacks
He's more interesting off the bike than on. I'd rather watch paint dry than have Evans win the Tour.
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Old 07-30-08, 09:43 PM
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Originally Posted by patentcad View Post


Try to pay attention chino. Hey may sound and act gay, but here is with his hot wife. Great looks, plenty of money, elite pro athlete. I would HOPE he could get a hot girl.
Point taken. Therefore, resolved: Cadel Evans' hot girlfriend has a dog. And Cadel Evans is whipped to the point of carrying her dog around at Le Tour.
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Old 07-30-08, 09:54 PM
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^^Dog?? Are you referring to the cuddly stuffed lion he had on the podium?

For me that was the icing on the cake of the "don't touch my shoulder" clip -- a camp "bah!" whilst cradling his lion and stalking off. Hilarious.

I did end up with more respect for him from his riding though -- he got pummeled in the hills and survived longer than most, sans support.
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Old 07-30-08, 10:11 PM
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Originally Posted by djbowen1 View Post
It looked like he had something fury over his arm that someone tried to touch or pet. Was that his dog? If so, I'm a major dog lover and all, but if you don't want people to pet your dog, don't take it with you to press time.
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Old 07-30-08, 10:13 PM
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Originally Posted by urbanknight View Post
It looked like he had something fury over his arm that someone tried to touch or pet. Was that his dog? If so, I'm a major dog lover and all, but if you don't want people to pet your dog, don't take it with you to press time.
see above
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Old 07-30-08, 10:16 PM
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Originally Posted by FightingPanther View Post
the way he laughed as he walked away was just awesome
It was kinda creepy. Threatening to cut someone's head off, then laughing like a little girl?
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Old 07-30-08, 10:19 PM
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Well, a dog ran into me yesterday. What would Cadel do?
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Old 07-30-08, 10:46 PM
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Originally Posted by patentcad View Post
Evens had no help at all. There's the difference.
Sastre would not have won if he had been on Lotto.

Evans would have won by minutes if he had been on CSC.

Lotto did a lousy job from the point they let Horner walk to the disco they picked for their after party.
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Originally Posted by Beaker View Post
see above
A stuffed lion? WTF?
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Old 07-30-08, 11:03 PM
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Originally Posted by urbanknight View Post
A stuffed lion? WTF?
don't mess with the dude's lion

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Old 07-30-08, 11:12 PM
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wtf is wrong? I understand that reporters might be a pain... but he also lives thanks to them not only to riding...I think a super athelete must understand that he is also a public figure and he must act accordingly even if he does not want or care...
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Old 07-31-08, 05:52 AM
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Originally Posted by patentcad View Post


Try to pay attention chino. Hey may sound and act gay, but here is with his hot wife. Great looks, plenty of money, elite pro athlete. I would HOPE he could get a hot girl.
Beard.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.
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Old 07-31-08, 08:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Duke of Kent View Post
I've never understood how having teammates, or not having teammates, affects you when you're 5km from a summit finish, and only going 10mph.
It's a small advantage, but it's real, and the Tour is all about small advantages.

The bigger difference is the tactical effect: with the top 3 so close, when Sastre went, the top 3 all knew that whoever did the most work would lose out to the other two. They'd wait for him to burn out then jump him. So none of them were willing to work.

OTOH, if Evans had had a teammate, then the teammate could pull back Sastre, or more likely just minimize the damage, since Sastre was so strong. Evans would still be relatively fresh to counter any move by the other contenders.

Last year, Horner did a heck of a job for Evans. This year with Popo, not so much.
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Originally Posted by Racer Ex View Post
Lotto did a lousy job from the point they let Horner walk to the disco they picked for their after party.
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Old 07-31-08, 08:14 AM
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I'm not impressed with a headbutt with a helmet on. Aussie = wussie headbutt, take off the headgear, htfu, and headbutt like a man for pete's sake.
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Originally Posted by curveship View Post
It's a small advantage, but it's real, and the Tour is all about small advantages.

The bigger difference is the tactical effect: with the top 3 so close, when Sastre went, the top 3 all knew that whoever did the most work would lose out to the other two. They'd wait for him to burn out then jump him. So none of them were willing to work.

OTOH, if Evans had had a teammate, then the teammate could pull back Sastre, or more likely just minimize the damage, since Sastre was so strong. Evans would still be relatively fresh to counter any move by the other contenders.

Last year, Horner did a heck of a job for Evans. This year with Popo, not so much.
Let's say Evans had a stellar teammate who could climb. Sastre takes off on what you could consider is an individual time trial up Alpe d'Huez. Evan's climbing teammate bridges the gap and sits on Sastre's wheel the entire time. If Evans still sits back with the Schlecks, teammate or no teammate he's still the same amount of time down.

Plain and simple, Evans should have jumped with Sastre or forgot about the Schlecks and road his own race up the Alpe. I was watching it thinking 'why is he wasting his time with the yellow jersey group?' when a real threat is taking time out of you.

Was it a miscalculation of who Evans' real threat was? Or did Evans think he could should just stay with the yellow group, keep tabs on Sastre's time and do away with everyone in the TT?
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Give Evans standup domestiques like Pereiro, Kreuziger, and version 1.0 [not 2.0 of this year] of Popovych - you have some serious firepower.

The whole point of mountain domestiques is to set hard tempos, cover attacks, and reel guys off the front - varying their power/tempo - while your captain rides ISOpower. Attacks @ 500W and settling back down to 450W is harder to maintain than just riding 475W the whole way, especially when most of these guys are already riding above threshold.
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Originally Posted by Racer Ex View Post
Sastre would not have won if he had been on Lotto.

Evans would have won by minutes if he had been on CSC.

Lotto did a lousy job from the point they let Horner walk to the disco they picked for their after party.
Yep.
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Give Evans standup domestiques like Pereiro, Kreuziger, and version 1.0 [not 2.0 of this year] of Popovych - you have some serious firepower.

The whole point of mountain domestiques is to set hard tempos, cover attacks, and reel guys off the front - varying their power/tempo - while your captain rides ISOpower. Attacks @ 500W and settling back down to 450W is harder to maintain than just riding 475W the whole way, especially when most of these guys are already riding above threshold.
Adam has it - your theory assumes Sastre would have ridden less consistently by trying to cover attacks (as Cadel did) because some non-contender was floating around him. I don't see that.

Cadel lost because he didn't try to ride a consistent pace up Alpe d'Huez and then was still baked when he got to the ITT - hell, I still though he was gonna win. Cadel and Sastre both got the same benefit off of the CSC hammer on the other parts of the Tour (mostly keeping Menchov in line).
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Originally Posted by Miguelangel View Post
wtf is wrong? I understand that reporters might be a pain... but he also lives thanks to them not only to riding...I think a super athelete must understand that he is also a public figure and he must act accordingly even if he does not want or care...
Cadel addresses this idea in the VeloNews article:
http://tour-de-france.velonews.com/a...ar--on-youtube

Basically it's one of respect. If they respect him, he respects them. So he talks to Versus (or whoever) but bats away the doofus from whatever place tapped his injured shoulder. Btw any journalist worth his salt will know NOT to tap an athlete on an injured shoulder/arm/whatever.

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Originally Posted by FightingPanther View Post
the way he laughed as he walked away was just awesome

"i cut your head off" - u know he picked that up from an English speaking rider sometime in a race
You know Aussies actually do speak English natively.
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Relating to team tactics, part of the whole idea of a strong team is to be able to dictate what will happen, when it will happen, how it will happen. Then the team leader/s can prepare accordingly.

Riders like Cadel were handicapped in that they could never dictate what would happen when. Instead they had to wait it out, be prepared all the time. This is a difficult way of racing.

At the beginning of the last race I did a guy who lapped the field in 6 laps a few weeks prior took off. About five guys were prepared for it. I was not one of them. I was dying and I had no idea when it would ease. As it turned out it eased after half a mile (one lap). Afterwards the guy said that he felt lazy and he didn't want to keep going. His unexpected attack really threw me for a loop though and I ended up moving up much more than normal to try and keep tabs on things. I ended up bridging to a break I felt was threatening, blew up, and got dropped. I don't think my race would have been much better but my attitude changed quickly when I got worried the race would explode like it did the week before.

If you have a very strong team then you can go into a stage knowing that the first bit will be hard. Or not. Or that the second climb will be hard. Or not. Or that the flat bit up to the fourth climb will be hard. Or not. And prepare accordingly. If you know you're going to attack from the gun then you'll change what you eat, how you dress, perhaps what wheels you stick on the bike. Etc etc.

Another thing about climbing at slow speeds is wind. When it's windy and you're climbing and you don't know how the other guys are going then it's very demoralizing. If you chase everyone sits on and they can counter and gain time. So you wait. This isn't conducive towards protecting an overall position. If you have a teammate with you then you can say "Hey, keep the break within a minute, okay?" And then you look around and when you think it's good you attack and get clear. Cadel never had that opportunity.

The strongest rider at the end of the Tour won. Cadel was not him. But on a different team, with better support, I think Cadel would have a much better chance of being that strongest rider.

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Somewhere Chris Horner is laughing hysterically at Silence-Lotto and thinking "for half of what you probably paid Popovych I could have carried Cadel to yellow.....nice costing savings, morons".
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im not really sure i understand how a domestique is going to pull back a sastre attacking for time and not a stage win.
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