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Interbike Crit races-oh the carnage. cdr?

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Old 09-29-08, 10:54 AM
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Interbike Crit races-oh the carnage. cdr?

While at Interbike I wanted to do the races on Thursday night so I signed up for the Industry cup and a 2/3 race. The course was in the Mandalay Bay parking lot so it was a little dirty and pretty slick. The did a nice job with what they had to work with except the first turn. It was a fairly tight 90 degree turn but the exit of the turn the barrier was a little to tight and carnage ensued all night long.

In the 2/3 race there were just 20 finishers of 80 on the start list. Some of this was due to pulled riders not being placed but most of that was from crashes. I got absolutely destroyed by the heat(94 degrees at the start and baking asphalt) and tried one break off the front that didn't go anywhere. I just rode it in for 15 happy to stay upright.

The Industry cup was thankfully smaller than last year at 60ish(100+ last year). The guys that did the race last year said it was better this year cause people actually belonged there instead of the guy who races his bike one a year just showing up. That didn't stop the crashes though. On the very first lap, very first turn, a group of guys smacks the barrier and goes down splitting the field. I get in a group of 10 or so and we try to chase back on. A couple guys drop off and it is down to a group of 6 chasing a group of 30. The time gaps hold roughly the same every lap at 40 seconds to the front and 14 seconds to the tail of the main group. I don't think we are going to catch them but I really don't want to stop. One of the chasers clips a pedal and takes another guy out and now we are 4. Finally we get pulled with 6 laps to go still with the same time gap. I'm a little bummed they didn't let us ride it out since we weren't losing time and wont get lapped. Oh well, at least I left with all skin attached which is more than about 100 other guys can say.

CDR were you there? I thought I saw a guy in glasses on a cdale right next to me?
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Old 09-29-08, 11:50 AM
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Is this what the pros raced on in the dark?
Count me out on that one.
I don't even bother with Athens.
Vegas sounds like an ice-slick with barricades.
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Old 09-29-08, 11:56 AM
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Sounds cool, if dicey.
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Old 09-29-08, 12:03 PM
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Yeah, the sun was setting on the 2/3 race(5:30 start) and dark for the industry cup(8:00 start)
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Old 09-29-08, 12:28 PM
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I decided not to race because I thought we were leaving that morning, but somehow ended-up staying to watch the racing(and ended-up getting stuck in Vegas until Saturday night). I was a little bummed riding around in flip-flops and watching, but I guess there's always next year.
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Old 09-29-08, 08:42 PM
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I'm kind of glad i changed plans and didn't go race. I call it the Vegas death crit.
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Old 09-29-08, 09:01 PM
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I think the crit was relatively safe course-wise. I got absolutely and totally shelled though. I felt really sick the whole day and actually thought I was maybe nervous or something (usually I'm not). But I think it was something I ate because I was fine the next day (and still fine now). But at the race I was doing some laps, going to the portapottie, doing some laps, going to the portapottie, etc.

I overinflated the tires with a borrowed SRAM pump (couldn't see the gauge - then after I did one tire I picked it up and realized I was at 160 psi, not 120 psi. I just said "eff it" and left it at the stupid high pressure.

Frickin rear tire chattered through every turn on the first lap save one left-bend at the end of the backstretch. In fact I did this massive powerslide in the first turn as everyone locked up their brakes (didn't know anyone went down - started at the back). On any other day it'd have been a normal thing, but not feeling good it sort of demoralized me. I skittered out every time I applied power, even sliding back on the seat. So much for weighting the front end of the bike - it's all good until you have too much pressure in the rear, plus this very dusty pavement. With my stupid high pressure tires I couldn't stand up, couldn't pedal hard, I was thinking "holy crap if the guys on BF knew about this they'd crucify me, with all my talk about cornering and blah blah blah".

I had no top end so I was resigned to struggle at about 300w. That was good for 2 laps before I had to navigate through a crash in the first turn - full brakes, almost stopped, shift down, etc. Technically I wasn't in the group at the time (the guy I was with - he had one full leg, one half leg - had just let a gap go so technically we weren't with the crashers). We all slowed for the crash, one guy who'd already gotten up was yelling at us to ease up since we had a lap.

Since I never went down, after about 30 seconds of soft pedaling I decided to keep going (I think some BF'ers would be proud of me for following the rules, even the spirit of the rules). I knew the official at the start line (he officiates Bethel) and I knew he wouldn't cut me any slack. I did only two more laps before getting pulled by him.

I had this intense sick acid thing going and almost lost it just by coughing a bit. Since I had a couple people I knew in the race (Target Training - last lap attack) I watched the end. Then I watched the beginning of the pro race - told my wife "first lap crash in the first corner". Sure enough the second guy went down in the first corner. We left shortly afterwards.

My throat was totally parched when I got done, and even after drinking a bunch of fluids afterwards I couldn't get rid of that parched feeling. I did manage to catch up with someone I wanted to speak with, and I met up with friends at the race.

I think that was the most expensive race ever. $75 entry. $175 to fly the bike there (Delta SUCKS as far as that goes). $85 to fly the bike back (United is way better). About $1500 for the flights/stay in Vegas (wife picked up all the expenses in Vegas proper). I think I raced about 8 minutes.

Next year.

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Originally Posted by YMCA View Post
Is this what the pros raced on in the dark?
Count me out on that one.
I don't even bother with Athens.
Vegas sounds like an ice-slick with barricades.
I have a teammate who was top-5 there once upon a time.

Dude has been around the block, and he said he's never been more frightened on a bike.
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Based on some descriptions from 2007 to 2008, there were some major changes.

First, the course was about 10 feet wider, i.e. 2x the width. Apparently last year it was really, really narrow. This year there were parts of the course that I'm sure no one actually rode on - it's that wide at parts where it should never bunch up. Also, right before the sprint, they made it really wide.

Second, it was pretty well lit. I don't know about last year but I could see everything fine. I have a short clip from it - if you didn't know where it was taken, you'd swear it was noon, the clip is so bright.

Third, although the ringers were gone (second placed guy last year raced for Bissell and was 7th as a Jr in Worlds), there were a lot of strong Cat 2s. They just slammed the hammer down. The course offered no respite due to it's totally flat nature, so there was no rest for someone like, say, a not-so-quite-fit Cat 3.

But, man, it was a blast. I have no pro aspirations/illusions, no expectations. My only disappointment was no Museeuw. But since I got to meet him earlier and afterwards (during the show), and I snapped a lot of pics of him talking with Rock Racing it was okay. Museeuw was a hero of mine in the 90s and I entered the race specifically to "start" with him.

And finally a shout out to Merckx89 who said hi to me. He looked like he'd be able to do a lot more in the race than me, but he was leaving for home shortly after and couldn't race.

More complete description of day/race:
http://sprinterdellacasa.blogspot.co...-day-late.html
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Old 09-30-08, 06:07 AM
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damn. I know guys used to figure out cost to weight ratios. Is there a kilojoules to cost ratio?
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Sorry I didn't say hi CDR it must have been you that I saw. You looked all buisness though(must have been the bug). You also look alot bigger than I pictured. The course wasn't to bad in the dark but after racing it in the light I knew where all the dirt and crud but couldn't see it at night.
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I had a great time.
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Originally Posted by jrennie View Post
Sorry I didn't say hi CDR it must have been you that I saw. You looked all buisness though(must have been the bug). You also look alot bigger than I pictured. The course wasn't to bad in the dark but after racing it in the light I knew where all the dirt and crud but couldn't see it at night.
No problem. Whenever I race I get an all business look. Very good friends of mine have come up and asked if I was mad at them since I ignored them during the race when in fact I never heard them. I get a bit focused.

lol "a lot bigger" - I hope you meant taller lol. I figure I look like a Judo guy off the bike - I hover between 170 and 180 at 5'7" so I'm no lightweight.

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Old 10-01-08, 06:18 AM
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ha, and I just assumed you thought I was a d*uche.
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Old 10-01-08, 06:47 AM
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lol. Now *you* I know have never talked to me in a race. I guarantee it. For sure. How can you possibly see me if you're launching all those attacks and I'm groveling at the back of the field?

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Hey, don't sell yourself short; you beat me solid at nutmeg.
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GStein and CDR,

Get a room.
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Forgot, my number for the crash fiesta
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That crit was definitely a crash fest. I walked up sometime during the Industry crit. Looked around for folks I knew and saw one that should have been out there. He had some good road rash and a banged up wrist. I think he said he made it for about 10-15 minutes before going out on the first turn. Even the pro races had crashes there.

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Forgot, my number for the crash fiesta
Did you put it on upside down?
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Old 10-01-08, 01:18 PM
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Wanted to but the ref said no.
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Hm. Was the ref a male with glasses, 6'2" or so, say 180-190 lbs?

I was #11. Not proud of my ride but I'm hanging onto the number. They all go into the same box, good race or not.

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Old 10-01-08, 09:57 PM
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J failed to take my advice to use his number to intimidate the other riders. Something about not being able to speak in tongues.
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here's a few photos from the event







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