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Training at altitude-How long do you need to get any benefit?

Old 09-29-08, 11:14 AM
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Training at altitude-How long do you need to get any benefit?

I am thinking of going to visit my brother in Flagstaff AZ, and maybe bring my bike with. Flagstaff is at 6,910 feet, which is up there compared to NYC. When I first get there I am imagining it'll be hell, but will a month there really show improvement in my cycling or is it a waste of time to think training there for a month will be any more beneficial than anywhere else?
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Old 09-29-08, 11:51 AM
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I remember reading somewhere that you will lose the aerobic benefits gained from training at altitude within a week or so. One drawback to altitude is the air being less dense, which offers less drag... making the strain on your muscular system less. I read this in a training book or something, to me it doesn't make sense. My thoughts are that it will just allow you to go a little faster (if your lungs can keep up).
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I always read that sleeping at altitude and training at sea level worked best, hence the hyperbolic tent things. Anyone else?
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If you train there a month, come home and race fairly soon after (like a week) you get back I think you will see improvements. I go to Phoenix and between the heat/elevation I experience what I think are training effects based on these factors. It's only at 1000+ feet but it's blazing hot 100+F and it just kills me. I always try to do races whenever possible and I believe the body gets more efficient at cooling or something.

Checkout the snow bowl hill climb. Nice 30+ minute steady climb up, smells like pine trees the whole time and nice meandering turns. Im sure your brother will know where it is.
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Originally Posted by Hocam View Post
I always read that sleeping at altitude and training at sea level worked best, hence the hyperbolic tent things. Anyone else?
Yes. Live high, train low.

The living high helps you physiologically (eg, raises your hematocrit), the training low keeps an ample supply of oxygen to avoid damaging the muscles.

I think.
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Old 09-29-08, 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by tekhna View Post
I am thinking of going to visit my brother in Flagstaff AZ, and maybe bring my bike with. Flagstaff is at 6,910 feet, which is up there compared to NYC. When I first get there I am imagining it'll be hell, but will a month there really show improvement in my cycling or is it a waste of time to think training there for a month will be any more beneficial than anywhere else?
head south to sedona and jam oak creek canyon back to flag. you'll be a beast in a month.
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Originally Posted by Hocam View Post
I always read that sleeping at altitude and training at sea level worked best, hence the hyperbolic tent things. Anyone else?
I think you're exagerating.
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Huh?
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Originally Posted by asgelle View Post
I think you're exagerating.
Glad someone else got that one.
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I was wondering if that was supposed to be a joke.
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My mountaineer friends have always said two weeks. Supposedly over that time the body creates up to 50% more red blood cells in order to adjust to the thinner air. Who knows, they're a bunch of stoned-peak-baggers.
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Originally Posted by ElJamoquio View Post
I was wondering if that was supposed to be a joke.
+1

botto imitators?
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Two weeks to acclimatize to the altitude. Then another two to catch back up to where you were before.

When I went to Colorado (Boulder, at about 5600') this summer I was very slow for most of the week. Having done the Death Ride right before had something to do with that but it was mostly the altitude. I started feeling better after about a week, which was good because I had a race then.
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