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Conducting the Orchestra

Old 10-07-08, 09:33 AM
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Conducting the Orchestra

One thing I like about bike racing is the celebration upon winning. Watching anyone who wins display some sort of emotion is, to me, damn cool.
So when it doesn't happen, it seems wrong.

Check out this post and tell me how far off base I am.

It's wrong (and easy) to go too far with it, but it seems to me that a winner can honor his competitors by celebrating the victory.
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Do you ever find instances where the trailing riders get offended by too much exuberance on the part of the winner? Like the winner is rubbing their noses in it?

I'm fairly new at this, so I don't know. I like your take on it, though--honoring competitors by celebrating the victory. It seems like well-placed enthusiasm, if everyone's on the same page.
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Two things slightly marred my victory a couple weeks ago:

1. We were told not to raise our hands in a sprint finish or we would be relegated.
2. I was so utterly taxed after my attack on the final turn I couldn't think of raising my hands anyway.

But I did on the back side of the course once I caught my breath.
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Old 10-07-08, 11:07 AM
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I understand the relegation thing, but I think that a victory salute is akin to a "right" in cycling. Fights are not expected in baseball (though they happen) but in hockey, it is an expectation. With running, celebration can happen, but almost everyone seems to be racing against their PR rather than their competitors. Cycling is about dominance, and so earning the right to be the only one of 100 guys to be able to do a salute, it is a crime NOT to see one.

Maybe it is like the "spike" in football. I have not watched it in a while, but I reember a time when it was considered unsportsmanlike. To me, you should have the right to celebrate (football, they spike, in soccer they pull the shirts off - go Brandi Chastain, and in baseball they trot, and pat each others butts or elbow smash or some other "I am going to show I am a man" thing) and as long as you are not mocking your competitors but celebrating your own work, I think it SHOULD happen.

Of course then there are the guys who cause accidents when they pull their hands off the bars...lets just assume if you win that you actually know how to not hurt other people, shall we?
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"Conducting the orchestra". Nice. As a band director, I think I will actually do that for my victory salute. Now for the hard part: actually winning a race.

But seriously, the last time I actually won a race I didn't even think to salute. I was focused on my sprint and just shouted "YES!!!" as I crossed the line. That brings up a question, though. How do you guys (speaking to Cat 3, 4, 5) keep enough presence of mind to look around to see if you even have enough space to salute without being relagated?
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Originally Posted by urbanknight View Post
"Conducting the orchestra". Nice. As a band director, I think I will actually do that for my victory salute. Now for the hard part: actually winning a race.

But seriously, the last time I actually won a race I didn't even think to salute. I was focused on my sprint and just shouted "YES!!!" as I crossed the line. That brings up a question, though.
How do you guys (speaking to Cat 3, 4, 5) keep enough presence of mind to look around to see if you even have enough space to salute without being relagated?
I don't wait for the sprint.
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Old 10-07-08, 11:25 AM
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Runners are just a different breed altogether.
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Old 10-07-08, 11:34 AM
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I like this:

"And just so you know, if Detroit had a pro football franchise, I wouldn't watch them either."

Classic.
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Originally Posted by DrWJODonnell View Post
Cycling is about dominance, and so earning the right to be the only one of 100 guys to be able to do a salute, it is a crime NOT to see one.
+1
Especially when a guy solo's off the front even if it's a cat3/4 race. Hell I'm thrilled as hell just to be able to sprint out of the field for a top 5 finish, so when winning a race you absolutely get the right to celebrate if you want. But please, no arms in the air for 2nd or 3rd, that's just wrong in my book. A first pump is OK but save the arms raised for 1st.
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Originally Posted by DrWJODonnell View Post
I don't wait for the sprint.
Makes way too much sense with your avatar being a time trial pic.
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Originally Posted by EventServices View Post
One thing I like about bike racing is the celebration upon winning. Watching anyone who wins display some sort of emotion is, to me, damn cool.
So when it doesn't happen, it seems wrong.

Check out this post and tell me how far off base I am.

It's wrong (and easy) to go too far with it, but it seems to me that a winner can honor his competitors by celebrating the victory.
I disagree with you. Running is way more individual than cycling, and the mentality reflects that. You're not racing against the guy next to you, but the one inside you.

Running is about improving your overall time and fitness, not about the win.

Besides, in running they lump everyone together by distance. There are no categories based on skill. It would be rather pompous for Lance Armstrong to celebrate a victory in a race that included every UCI pro, Cat 5 racer, and local Fred.
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Originally Posted by urbanknight View Post
But seriously, the last time I actually won a race I didn't even think to salute. I was focused on my sprint and just shouted "YES!!!" as I crossed the line. That brings up a question, though. How do you guys (speaking to Cat 3, 4, 5) keep enough presence of mind to look around to see if you even have enough space to salute without being relagated?
I thought about it, but all these threads about being relegated I decided to keep my hands on the bars. Although I knew I was pretty far ahead, and a quick check proved nobody was within a few bike lengths of me, I settled for a fist pump immediately after crossing the line.
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I've never understood why people are offended by celebrations. A victory is a huge accomplishment that is culminated by years (not months, or weeks) of hard work and commitment. Its not taunting, or grandstanding, its the right of victor to celebrate. I feel the same way in football or any other sport.

For me, the best is when a low level domestique wins a stage...or anyone who's done it their first time.

I personally dont think I'd do it in a race, seems so easy to screw up.
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I more offended at the fact we've all come to celebrate mediocrity more and more.
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Originally Posted by bdcheung View Post
I disagree with you. Running is way more individual than cycling, and the mentality reflects that. You're not racing against the guy next to you, but the one inside you.

Running is about improving your overall time and fitness, not about the win.
What you described is a training run. If you want to set your PR, you can do that with a road and a stop watch. We don't need to give you prize money. water stations, or closed roads.

What's wrong with acknowledging the accomplishment or, if nothing else, acknowledging the spectators who waited 68 minutes for you to finish your inner battle and applauded you for finishing before all the other inner battles?

He's taking a lot of things for granted including all the support that he received.

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What you described is a training run. If you want to set your PR, you can do that with a road and a stop watch. We don't need to give you prize money. water stations, or closed roads.
Don't know how much running you do, but it's tough to set a PR when you're competing with road crossings, traffic, and stoplights.
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Touche. I see your point. Do you see mine?
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I was actually gonna pick that one out.

I didn't know I had it on that one. I attacked at 45s to go, got my gap, and a group of 10 were all coming up on me about 5mph faster. I had no idea if I was going to win it. I ended up taking it by about 2 meters, but I was busy with a bike throw (that wasn't needed).

After I had it, I had a 1.5 block runout before turn 1, with a large cheering crowd on both sides of the street, and a photographer in the corner...

yeah, time for some celebration
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I would raise my arms even at the risk of relegation. Unless the prize is over $200, it's more about pride in the amateur level. Besides, the picture someone gets of it is probably worth more to me than the prize money.

I won't upgrade until I win. Closest I got in cat3's was a 2nd and 6th at SuperWeek (two field sprint wins). My first cat3 win will be celebrated, just like my two lower category wins.
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