Wobble-Naught
 

Has anyone had this fitting done?

Yep. Took ~3 hours to finish. Most of that was listening to BJ talk (I'm guessing that's who responded to your MABRA mail). He could cut the fitting time in half by just getting to the work of it. Partially my fault because I totally brain farted on the appointment the day prior, no showed him. Then the next day I was crunched for time with family stuff.

I am definitely more comfortable on the bike now, and I was pretty surprised at that having put a lot of hours in at the position I was already in.

It did NOT resolve the one-sided quad tightness I was hoping to fix, but that just is what it is.

I can't say that it affected power output positively or negatively.

For me, it was mostly a fit from the waist down and was not huge in any direction - except the shoes/cleat position which was a big change. Saddle height, fore/aft position was within a CM in every direction of the resulting fitting values but that CM of change has definitely had an impact on saddle comfort.

I didn't make any change to stem height/angle/reach until ~2 weeks later. Saddle went back a CM in the fitting, so about 2 weeks after I shortened from a 120 to a 110 stem - no change to drop/angle though.

The values are easily replicateable in bike setup, which I really like.

I'm meeting with BJ tomorrow, will let you know how it goes. I'm glad you had a good experience - makes me feel better about my decision.

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I bought a set of pedals from BJ once, it took about 90 minutes.

Yes, I noticed that particular personality trait when I phoned him today.

What's he like in person?

He is a really nice guy though, highly knowledgeable. Of course, as a guy only on a road bike for ~3 yrs now, everyone in the sport is still pretty knowledgeable compared to me.

I was actually going to use your guy, Pierre. He said he'd call back, never did - I called him twice and emailed once and got nothing back. Made that decision pretty easy.

Well.. I went into it looking for a fitting and fitting only. I really didn't want to hear about pedaling or coaching or training plans. But, like anyone in his business it's in his interest to at least present himself as knowing enough to entice you to go beyond just the bike fitting. For me, it just wasn't a personality mesh at the time.

He offered to hook up at some point and help me with wheel building as that's about the only thing I don't do on my bike, which I thought was pretty generous.

I'd also add that if I had the dough, I'd pay for the TT bike fitting. Mebbe next month for Christmas.

sorry, if he worked for me, I'd fire him for responsiveness problems.

I've seen P for massage, he's the best. fortunately, his lady was my coach for a while, I think she'd badger him and he'd make appointments for me just to get her off his case

Yah, no problem. I had a great chat with him getting going. Feel kinda bad it never worked out. Seemed like a great guy to work with. I've noticed more and more that there are two types of people in the "business"

People who work with cyclists: usually solid, dependable, responsive
Cyclists who work with people: flighty, distracted, "get back to you when I'm done riding."

I think I admittedly fall into the second category, which is why I would suck as a coach.

What are you guys talking about?

I've had 3, two for the TT bike and one for the road. I've since had a Retul fitting and think it is far and away superior, but Wabble-Naught is much better than local bike shop dude or asking BF what we think.

What's the price for something like this?

I'll let you know price and thoughts tomorrow

I had 55-nine do mine here in atlanta. I have a bum back, so a good fit makes a world of difference to me. Mine cost about $200 and was done within 2 hours. I'd recommend it.

SO I just got back from working with BJ on the Wobble-Naught system and my fit.

We moved the cleats on both feet and moved the saddle up and back.

Even with the adjustment to the saddle, my reach to my bars was still less than what he said I can handle. w/e, I'm not getting a longer stem.

My biggest problem, according to BJ, is in posture. I need more core work because I've gotten into the bad habit of arching my back instead of keeping it straight.

Was it worth $175? I dunno, we'll see after my next long ride. All of the on-the-bike changes we made were small. Like, less than 1cm small. But, small changes can add up, so we'll see.

something about BJ's from a guy who has only been on a bike for 3 years. :innocent:

Coincidentally, I received BJ's Wobble-Naught fit this past weekend.

I was still making tweaks to my self-positioning because I recently bought a new saddle, but the changes were even more drastic than I expected. My seat is now 2 cm lower and 2 cm further back than before. There was a cleat adjustment of about .5 cm towards my heel, and my bars now have an extra 1 cm of spacers under them. BIG changes.

I'm also incredibly more aero than before, even with my bars up 1 cm. I need to practice holding the straight-back position like BDC, but when I do, it's golden. It feels weird - like you're sticking your butt in the air and arching your back downwards - but when examined in the mirror, it's just straight and looks PRO. And mechanically it feels efficient for legs and lungs.

My evidence that this system works:
1) He said my previous position wasn't properly activating my gluteus muscles. The next day on a long ride, the first thing I noticed was my ass muscles getting fatigued from being awoken for the first time.
2) He said my previous arched-back position was making it harder on my neck to lift my head - hence my on- and off-bike neck stiffness. Now that I practice flattening my back, my head naturally swings upwards and my neck has a much more comfortable range of motion.
3) Just through the body measuements and computer calculations, the system found the exact place in space for my sit bones to interact with my saddle. Part of the system is factoring in the sweet spot of each individual saddle and placing it relative to a laser line that runs the seat tube angle.
4) No more numbness in my left hand - I never figured out why, but it was only my left hand and usually only while I was on the hoods. That problem is gone, as evidenced by my delightlful 2hr trainer session this morning that usually sets it off.
5) I never liked the way my balance and power felt while standing on the pedals - but didn't know to address that. The cleat adjustment has me feeling like I'm standing on solid ground and power transfer feels remarkably better out of the saddle.
6) I am no longer using a cut out saddle, but the system took my taint entirely out of the equation.

I can't say anything about power yet, as in I don't think I actually have more power than before. But the sensation since the fit is that I have easier access to my power, if that makes sense. Either going uphill, or tucking and closing a gap, everything is moving more efficiently than I've ever felt before. Watch out MABRA, here I come.

On the downside, my quads still burn when I'm pushing 400W for anything more than 1 min. I was really hoping the fit would fix that. I'm going to get my money back. ;-)

heads up!, do you ride a Cannondale? And do you have Specialized shoes?

I got a Wobble-Naught fitting about 3 weeks ago. This was my first year training and racing so I waited until after the season. It took about 2 hours to take all the measurements of the bike, shoes, feet, my flexability, riding history and some time warming up and riding on the Computrainer. After the adjustments were made I was back on the Computrainer. The end result was an adjustment to one shoe by adding a shim, changing the cleat setting on the other shoe, and moving the seat forward 3 centimeters and up 1 centimeter and tilted the saddle. The fitter said that I would feel the difference when riding because I would be using the muscles in the back of my legs more. He was right on, afterward when I finished my first road ride, I got cramps in both my hamstrings while getting into a car. After a couple weeks I've adjusted to the bike's new setup and am satisfied with the results. Part of the process was using the Computrainer to measure the pedalling efficiency. When riding with a cadence of 100 and over with resistance, the machine showed my pedal efficiency looking like a figure 8 on the screen. After the adjustments the figure 8 turned into a fairly round circle indicating force being applied all the way thru the stroke. The shim and cleat adjustment also kept the force being generated by each leg nearly the same. I had a concern that one leg was doing more work due to a severe ankle injury I have that keeps me from even being able to jog.

I'm glad I went thru the fitting.

Both true.

I'll also echo that trainer time is exponentially more tolerable on the saddle contact areas since having the fit done.

BJ thought I was you. Seriously. The whole time he kept saying "didn't I just give you a fit?"

Are you asian, too?

I guess he was basing that on bikes. I'm not Asian, but we both have SRAM CAAD9's in the 2007 raw finish.

That must have been kinda weird.

and we both have the S-Works shoe! a mind-fark indeed.