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Mine wasn't off consistently, it was off to the square or cube or something, I'm not a math person. Here's my original post on the matter.
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How hard do you push 20 min intervals?
At the end of March I started doing 20min @ 91-100% and I was usually at my threshold HR (168) the last 5-8 minutes. MY FTP has gone up quite a bit, to the point where I'm now finishing the intervals around 160-162 HR*. If I try to finish the interval at threshold HR now I end up a good 30-35 watts over my last calculated threshold power. If I don't push right up against threshold HR for the last 5 min at least I end up recovering so quickly I'm not sure I'm getting much out of it. Seems like the ideal would be to get within a few beats of threshold ASAP and hold it for the duration, rather than just ending there. I'm going to raise my wattage target for May; just not sure how much.
At what point in your 20min intervals do you try to hit threshold HR? if at all.
* - this is mostly because my FTP was so poor to begin with.
At the end of March I started doing 20min @ 91-100% and I was usually at my threshold HR (168) the last 5-8 minutes. MY FTP has gone up quite a bit, to the point where I'm now finishing the intervals around 160-162 HR*. If I try to finish the interval at threshold HR now I end up a good 30-35 watts over my last calculated threshold power. If I don't push right up against threshold HR for the last 5 min at least I end up recovering so quickly I'm not sure I'm getting much out of it. Seems like the ideal would be to get within a few beats of threshold ASAP and hold it for the duration, rather than just ending there. I'm going to raise my wattage target for May; just not sure how much.
At what point in your 20min intervals do you try to hit threshold HR? if at all.
* - this is mostly because my FTP was so poor to begin with.
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If you're 30-35 watts over your previous threshold power, you really need to test again. Maybe do a 2x20 test with 5 mins in the middle for rest, or do a MAP test.
How did you determine your FTP to begin with? Do you have any longer rides where you have a reasonable 1 hr AP/NP?
I'm shooting for a MAP test next week. I did 2x20 at almost 100% without serious pain. I need a retest. I'm guessing my FTP has gone up by 10-20 watts since the last time I tested.
How did you determine your FTP to begin with? Do you have any longer rides where you have a reasonable 1 hr AP/NP?
I'm shooting for a MAP test next week. I did 2x20 at almost 100% without serious pain. I need a retest. I'm guessing my FTP has gone up by 10-20 watts since the last time I tested.
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What kind of rate do you guys use to increase your TSS week to week? I've been shooting for 10% for 3-4 weeks, then -20% for a rest week.
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Also, I don't think the 10% gains will be sustainable (for me) as CTL goes up.
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I average a ramp rate of 3-4, opting for 0 or less when a target race comes up (to ensure my TSB is positive).
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Conventional wisdom says 4-8 is a sustainable ramp rate over the long term and most power forum geeks have done away w a scheduled rest week taking rest when they feel they need it or when life demands it.
I average a ramp rate of 3-4, opting for 0 or less when a target race comes up (to ensure my TSB is positive).
I average a ramp rate of 3-4, opting for 0 or less when a target race comes up (to ensure my TSB is positive).
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I was talking about % increase of your TSS since it's a bit tricky to figure out what TSS is required for a CTL ramp rate.
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((Current CTL) + (6*Desired Ramp Rate)*7)= Needed TSS to Achieve Ramp Rate
Last edited by LT Intolerant; 05-04-09 at 10:10 AM. Reason: too many parentheses
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I need to raise my threshold in WKO+. I know how to do it but I see the 'effective date' is always grayed out. How can I enter the new number so it doesn't affect past data?
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((Current CTL) + (6*Desired Ramp Rate)*7)= Needed TSS to Achieve Ramp Rate
100+6*5*7= 310
Now it's (100+6*5)*7=910 which is the desired result (aside from the unpaired parenthesis at the end). I think we've got it settled now.
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good explanation; this clears up my questions; i have to contend with a lot of rollers; most hills where i live can be put away with 3 minutes or less of FTP and it's hard to increase cadence or shift to keep power constant as you crest a hill, and vice versa after bottoming out; finding a good 5' test spot has been my challenge
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That should do it now, except you've got one extra parenthesis at the end. I was just pointing out that the syntax from your original post would have been
((Current CTL) + (6*Desired Ramp Rate)*7)= Needed TSS to Achieve Ramp Rate
100+6*5*7= 310
Now it's (100+6*5)*7=910 which is the desired result (aside from the unpaired parenthesis at the end). I think we've got it settled now.
((Current CTL) + (6*Desired Ramp Rate)*7)= Needed TSS to Achieve Ramp Rate
100+6*5*7= 310
Now it's (100+6*5)*7=910 which is the desired result (aside from the unpaired parenthesis at the end). I think we've got it settled now.
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Check out the 30 day PMC predictor spreadsheet that was posted on the wattage group.
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Not that it is not a reasonable representation of NP, just that you don't want to use an NP with a high VI to estimate FTP as it means you got a lot of "rest" which recharges your AWC which allows you to keep pumping out high-power efforts even though you would not be able to sustain a longer medium-power effort. The NP algorithm causes high power efforts to heavily weight it up, while low-power efforts do not drag it down as quickly as it would for AP. The idea of NP is that it estimates the equivalent metabolic effort, but that doesn't mean you would be able to sustain an equivalent steady-state power without the anaerobic contribution.
I'm battling a similar question to the OP of this part of the thread... just did two races this weekend and seem to have blown up my FTP big time. It's time to re-test, but it doesn't fit in the schedule for another couple of weeks (until after the big stage race on Memorial Day weekend).
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What constitutes a high VI?
I'm battling a similar question to the OP of this part of the thread... just did two races this weekend and seem to have blown up my FTP big time. It's time to re-test, but it doesn't fit in the schedule for another couple of weeks (until after the big stage race on Memorial Day weekend).
I'm battling a similar question to the OP of this part of the thread... just did two races this weekend and seem to have blown up my FTP big time. It's time to re-test, but it doesn't fit in the schedule for another couple of weeks (until after the big stage race on Memorial Day weekend).