wanders

and I've got a case and a dozen donuts over you.

rankin116

Where do you have the option to choose a 3s or 30s average? I can't seem to find that.

Another question for PT/705 users: I get power readings sometimes that are ridiculously high, like 3000W while I'm waiting at a light, or when I get near my front door. Am I picking up some kind of interference? Is there a fix for this?

Sorry if these questions have been answered, I haven't had the time to go through this whole thread yet. Thanks.

kensuf

about damned time.

(edited: those are grape nehi's for you, you're too young for beer)

Ygduf

It's under the menu where you select the field you want to display. Power/ Power -3s / Power 30s. If you can't find it, you might have an old firmware version. Go to gc and update.

rankin116

Ah thanks, I updated this morning, but I haven't had a chance to look at it.

rankin116

That was it, thanks.

So I got a look at my ride from today using PowerAgent, and I have three points with outrageous power numbers, like 31,000W. These are clearly messing up averages and such. Are these readings a common problem? Is there some way to remove them from the data, as they are obviously not valid.

Again, sorry if this has come up, I started reading this thread from the beginning, but I'm only about 10 pages in.

Ygduf

I've never had issues with outlier numbers like that. Probably try Saris support, unless it's a software glitch. Does the same thing show up in garmin connect, or ridewithgps, any site that allows upload of tcx?

tallmantim

Hi

You could export it to CSV, delete the ride from Power Agent, fix the lines using Excel or similar and reimport back into Power Agent.

rankin116

That's a great idea, thanks. I'll see what that looks like. I'm definitely sending Saris and email in the morning though to see what's up.

mike868y

Can someone provide me with a guideline as to what different LTS (long term stress, idk what it is referred to as in wko) mean in terms of severity? What is a "high" LTS and what is a "low" LTS and at what LTS is best for performance. If there is an article out there somewhere you can just link to it. Sorry if this has been covered earlier in this thread.

ZeCanon

The number that equates to your best form will differ from person to person. I tend to race best at 110-120. That's where I was in late May/early June when I was flying - FTP over 5.0w/kg and busting shorter records left and right. Others do well in the 80-90 range or even lower.

Now I'm down to 87, on purpose. FTP is down about 20w and I'm certainly breaking no records, but I needed to let it come down so I can build back up again for the Fort Collins USGP. Riding a super high LTS is great for a while, but if you don't let it come down you can't build again.

Your LTS won't be accurate until you've been tracking it for 42 days, by the way.

Ygduf

I never found anything specific when I was looking at this. The consensus I got was that you shouldn't worry about it until you have a few months of rides in, then you can start looking at how you feel vs. the stress levels and use those judgments going forward. Everyone handles stress differently, so I doubt a hard and fast rule can be written. It's like discussing max HR.

I see the weekly TSS umd and kensuf talk about and it is like 1.5-2x what I am able to work with on a weekly basis. I'm still seeing beginner's improvement though, so I won't yet worry about it. FWIW, I started using the ptap about 60 days ago and the LTS has been steadily rising. I guessed with a "50" LTS to start with (not really having anything to compare with) and my LTS seems headed to steady out at 90-100.

mike868y

Thanks ze. I have had the pm for about a month and I backlogged a bunch of ride before that, so is it safe to assume that the values are at least a close approximation?

I'm at 68 LTS right now and I feel completely burnt out, that seems really low though. And I just got to the part of the Training Bible where Friel talks about having a positive SB going into an A race. My SB is -30. Even after my rest week a few weeks ago it only got up to -10.

The reason I'm asking this is because my last A race of the season is this coming Saturday and I've been feeling really fatigued and I want to try and go into this race with somewhat decent form.

bcellis

Aren't all those metrics (CTL, ATL, TSS and their equivalents) all based on a (reasonably) accurate FTP? If you only did your field test a couple days ago I would think that any data prior to that is suspect.

mike868y

I set all my data prior to my test to use my current ftp. How fast does one's ftp usually change.

aham23

TrainingPeaks just added some key WKO produced data to their online premium accounts. Almost no reason to have a desktop software now. well, except for the fact that i paid for it and do have it.

New TP Info

I only pass this along as I am a big fan of their online account. It is an excellent do it all training log. Later.

mike868y

Another question (sorry for question bombing this thread, but that's what it is for): It seems on bf, everyone bases their workouts off of FTP. But in Friel's book he seems much more concerned with LT. What is the relationship between LT and FTP? Are they the same?

kensuf

A -30 TSB is pretty low, that's why you're ass dragging. Here's the bad news, if your A race is this Saturday, you're not going to be ready for it. Sorry, but there's no way you're going to get enough rest between now and then.

The key to getting out of the gutter is rest, period, plain and simple.

REST IS WHAT MAKES YOU STRONGER

You need to rest and recover to get stronger. That's all there is to it. I really try to avoid taking more than 2 days off the bike because my legs will block up, but if I'm 2 weeks out from an A event then I'll go ahead and take that 3-4 day rest immediately, and then ride enough to keep the legs from being blocked, but not so hard to cause more fatigue.

Looking over the training thread, you had a hard group ride yesterday (7/28), a 20' test on 7/27, and I'm not sure if it was 7/24 or 7/17 where you did a 180 mile weekend. Considering this was supposed to be the week of an A race, you've gone too hard bucky.

Here's what I probably would have done if this was MY A race: I would have taken most of last week off, then this week I would have done 90 minutes on Tuesday with mixed (balls hard, balls easy) to unblock the legs. I would have gone SUPER easy on Wednesday, I mean so damned easy my butt would hurt. And I would do nothing more than light endurance today. And tomorrow I would do openers, and Saturday I would have raced.

You need to rest harder than you train, period.

kensuf

in theory, yes.

mike868y

Thank you kensuf. I know I come off as an annoying little kid, but I really appreciate your advice and your very detailed explanation, which I just copy and pasted into my training log.

Fortunately, for me, my A race is next Sunday (I thought it was a Saturday, but I was wrong) 8/8. Here is what I'm planning on doing - Today through Saturday off. Sunday and Monday light endurance. Tuesday off. Wednesday 90 minutes (balls hard balls easy as you described), recovery ride thursday, light endurance friday, openers saturday. More or less exactly what you wrote, just shifted back a day to account for the race being on Sunday. I'm going to keep my eye on my TSB and hope it goes positive.

Thanks again!

umd

Mikey, there is a TSS estimator spreadsheet floating around, where you can basically put in your planned workouts (in terms of TSS) and it will show you what your CTL, ATL, and TSB will be into the future, so you can use it to plan out how much TSS to run on each day and arrive at the desired TSB on race day. May be handy to take a look at, but also not sure you really have enough history to make proper use out of it.

umd

Yeah, but I'm a wierd endurance freak with a huge base and no top end.

kensuf

good luck.

ZeCanon

Sitting on your ass 10 days before a race is a terrible idea.

Keep riding through this weekend. Since you're obviously overreached, cut whatever you were planning half. But definitely get on your bike.

Then, next week, follow any of the dozens of of taper-week programs that are floating around here. They're all equally likely to work for you. Until you experiment with tapers, you'll have no idea what really works anyway.

If you're SB is only ever getting to -10, you aren't resting. You're floating along on a crappy plateau. Just because guys here do rest weeks with a bunch of riding doesn't mean YOU should - they are running LTS's nearly double yours, which means one of your regular weeks is a 50% week for them. You need to be really taking time OFF, or doing rides so short and easy they barely register any bike score at all.

mike868y

Kensuf says to take days off, ze says not to. I'm going to compromise and take the next two days completely off the bike. THen I'll make sure to ride through the weekend and next week, with varying levels of intensity similar to what kensuf listed above.