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Old 11-25-08, 11:45 AM
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bigger, stronger, faster*

Bigger, Stronger, Faster*

* the side effects of being American.

DVD is out now, here's the trailer linky:

http://www.biggerstrongerfastermovie.com/



I saw this last weekend, and I was surprised. It's a documentary from the perspective of an amateur power lifter and his two brothers, all of whom have done anabolic steroids at one time or another. I was expecting some kind of cheap expose on how some athletes dope, but they provided a very balanced discussion about doping and sports, although only focusing on anabolic steroids (testosterone).

One aspect that is was well presented was the myths of steroids, and the facts about many sports using steroids for decades with little side effects.

The other aspect that was well presented was the ridiculous sports supplements industry, and how easy it is to take $1 of powders and sell them for $40 with the right label (FRS, looking at you).

Interviews with Floyd Landis, who, shockingly, denied he ever took steroids but did show the interviewer the home-made barometric chamber he sleeps in made out of construction pipe.

They look at the culture of juicing in high school sports. Basically, It's accurate as I remember it in high school, most guys juiced. They show it as quite prevalent in some areas of the US, and focus on a little town in Texas and a baseball player kid who committed suicide while on steroids (but also on many other anti-depressants). Town's called Plano. Apparently, there is a strong culture of doping at the high school level there.

They also show the incredible hypocrisy of politicians passing anabolic steroid control laws- like Arnold Schwarzenegger, yet not regulating internet sales.

Really good interviews with guys from Muscle Mag industry about the safety of steroids, the misconceptions, and this is backed up with interviews with specialist doctors.

Nice film, makes you reconsider the morality of doping in sport, the prevalence of doping in sport, and the reasons why people dope, without doing any preaching.
 
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Originally Posted by BikeIndustryGuy View Post
Town's called Plano. Apparently, there is a strong culture of doping at the high school level there.
Wait...what? No...not here!

Plano (and Allen) where they put more emphasis on band and football than academics?
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Old 11-25-08, 12:48 PM
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Wait...what? No...not here!

Plano (and Allen) where they put more emphasis on band and football than academics?
I grew up in Richardson. That's right, we're better than you. Though not as better than you as Highland Park.
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I watched this movie on netflix.

And I did see Floyd's altitude chamber.

That thing rocks !!! I wish I could have one for myself =)
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Old 11-25-08, 01:18 PM
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good film
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Originally Posted by BikeIndustryGuy View Post
Bigger, Stronger, Faster*

They show it as quite prevalent in some areas of the US, and focus on a little town in Texas and a baseball player kid who committed suicide while on steroids (but also on many other anti-depressants). Town's called Plano. Apparently, there is a strong culture of doping at the high school level there.
Plano is essentially Dallas. It's a ritzy (for the most part) suburb on the north side of Big D. And yes, the kids apparently feel a lot of pressure to do well athletically there from what I've heard (lived in Dallas for 10 years).
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Old 11-25-08, 01:25 PM
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If I watch this will I want to dope?
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I grew up in Richardson...
oh geez. me too. now I understand what's wrong with you.

anyway, Plano is hardly a "small town" - it's a wealthy large suburb. drugs have been a problem there for a long time - back in the 80's or 90's there was a rash of heroin overdoses in the high schools.

understand these aren't poor kids. Plano is where the doctors lawyers and white collar types live.
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Meh. I saw the video when it came out back in September and was left feeling like I had wasted 2 hours of my life.

The bottom line is as long as it's against the rules for competition, if you do it you're a cheater. And personally, I really don't like the message PEDs send to kids -- "you can only be this good if you take this chemical" and "the ends (winning) justify the means (short-cuts/cheating)". Our society is too artificial as it is, I see no reason to promote/endorse that mentality.
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Maybe if we pretend it isn't going on it will just stop and all the kids will stay off them.
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Meh. I saw the video when it came out back in September and was left feeling like I had wasted 2 hours of my life.

The bottom line is as long as it's against the rules for competition, if you do it you're a cheater. And personally, I really don't like the message PEDs send to kids -- "you can only be this good if you take this chemical" and "the ends (winning) justify the means (short-cuts/cheating)". Our society is too artificial as it is, I see no reason to promote/endorse that mentality.
I think the realistic message (and situation) is that you can only be the best if you are already good AND you take this chemical. The ante has been upped.
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Maybe if we pretend it isn't going on it will just stop and all the kids will stay off them.
I can smell the sarcasm. I realize the genie is out of the bottle on this one (same thing with the war on drugs), but that doesn't mean that we should accept the use of PEDs while they are against the rules.

If you want to see PEDs in sport, get a movement together to change the rules and allow them.
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I'm not sure who is accepting them or how you got that from the movie. It's like you're making up your own premises and broadcasting them as some sort of truth. In other words, if you're saying I support PED usage you can eat me.
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I streamed it on Netflix too and thought it was worth a watch. I enjoyed it but at the end of the day it was too sympathetic IMHO. I guess I can agree the point that out of competition the drugs are image-enhancing so they should be as legal as say botox.

But if you want a tragic look at how far it can go than the interviews with powerlifters will really scare you.
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Originally Posted by BikeIndustryGuy View Post
Bigger, Stronger, Faster*

* the side effects of being American.

DVD is out now, here's the trailer linky:

[I MG]http://www.bennadel.com/resources/uploads/bigger_stronger_faster_movie_poster.jpg[/IM G]



One aspect that is was well presented was the myths of steroids, and the facts about many sports using steroids for decades with little side effects.
What myths were discussed?
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Neither. I think we had a mis-understanding. My "bottom line" statement was my opinion, not what I thought the movie was trying to convey. I felt the movie was too accepting of peds.
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fair enough. I think it just was out to show the double standard that encourages the continuation of the use and hide cycle. We want supermen, but we want to imagine they're clean. We encourage our kids to excel at athletics but we want them to do it clean. Something has to change to fix the problem.
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This thread makes me want to dope.

It's my only chance.
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Go from getting droped to getting doped.
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Anyone else expect this film with that title?

And I'm with pcad, is there a carbon fiber IV holder thingy that I can attach to my bike for the hot EPO action?
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This thread makes me want to dope.

It's my only chance.
You're my BF hero.

Seriously.

But you don't need peds.
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oh geez. me too. now I understand what's wrong with you.

anyway, Plano is hardly a "small town" - it's a wealthy large suburb. drugs have been a problem there for a long time - back in the 80's or 90's there was a rash of heroin overdoses in the high schools.

understand these aren't poor kids. Plano is where the doctors lawyers and white collar types live.
We're in the same athletic district as Plano, Allen, and now one of the North McKinney schools. My kid is an athlete and our school does random drug testing of athletes with parental permission.

My kid plays soccer, and this is one ofthe hot bed recruiting areas in the country. Lot's of competition for rides after high school. Yep, my kid is signed up for random testing, because she asked to be so she could list it on the Clearinghouse site for coaches to see.

There is, sadly, way too much money to be spent on this stuff in my area. I somehow doubt the diligence of the programs in football around here. Maybe it's the 8 million dollar football stadium we have here. With 15K-20K plus crowds at every game it makes money hand over fist.

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We're in the same athletic district as Plano, Allen, and now one of the North McKinney schools. My kid is an athlete and our school does random drug testing of athletes with parental permission.

My kid plays soccer, and this is one ofthe hot bed recruiting areas in the country. Lot's of competition for rides after high school. Yep, my kid is signed up for random testing, because she asked to be so she could list it on the Clearinghouse site for coaches to see.

There is, sadly, way too much money to be spent on this stuff in my area. I somehow doubt the diligence of the programs in football around here. Maybe it's the 8 million dollar football stadium we have here. With 15K-20K plus crowds at every game it makes money hand over fist.
I'm sure it's cliche by now, but the one of my favorite books is Friday Night Lights. I first read that while I was in high school, playing football at the time, and I could not believe the things I read. Stadiums, people camping for days to buy tickets. Insane. Especially when I was playing to about 200 people with one set of bleachers, and no lights for the field. We got oranges at half time, not IVs.
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I'm sure it's cliche by now, but the one of my favorite books is Friday Night Lights. I first read that while I was in high school, playing football at the time, and I could not believe the things I read. Stadiums, people camping for days to buy tickets. Insane. Especially when I was playing to about 200 people with one set of bleachers, and no lights for the field. We got oranges at half time, not IVs.
Welcome to football in Texas.
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Welcome to football in Texas.
I seriously doubt 3/4 of the Divisdion 2 colleges can match our footbal/athletic facilities. Hell, we even have a full size indoor practice facility sponsored by Coca Cola, on top of the rather amazing stadium.

My tax dollars at work.

Every athl;etic program took a budget cut this year, except football. Now we're still alive in the 3rd round of 5A state playoffs and all is justified, I guess.
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