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snoboard2 11-26-08 09:37 AM

POLL: RR Sat Crit Sun or vice versa
 
Our team will be hosting a race this spring, and I'd like everyone's opinion.

We will have a TT Saturday morning. Should we have the crit after the TT Saturday afternoon with the RR on Sunday morning, or the other way around. RR after the TT Saturday and crit Sunday morning.

I leave it to you...

merlinextraligh 11-26-08 09:50 AM

I'd put the crit on Saturday, for a couple of reasons.

1) presumably the Crit will be shorter than the RR, so it makes more sense to double up the TT with the Crit, than with the RR;

2) at least around here RR's draw better than crits, so by putting the RR on Sunday, you have a better chance of people staying over to race on Sunday, than if you put the Crit on Sunday.

MDcatV 11-26-08 09:56 AM

do whichever is logistically easiest for your volunteer staff to support and organize.

it really wont matter to racers, they'll be there unless the event is in August/Sept, that's when #s seem to diminish, in my experience.

my preference is to have RR on sat in the a.m., then TT on sun. in the a.m., crit in afternoon. Doesnt sound like that's an option, as you've presented scenarios with 2 races on sat and one on sun. So, what I'd prefer is to do TT and Crit on Sat and RR on sunday.

sleazy 11-26-08 10:00 AM


Originally Posted by merlinextraligh (Post 7920869)
I'd put the crit on Saturday, for a couple of reasons.

1) presumably the Crit will be shorter than the RR, so it makes more sense to double up the TT with the Crit, than with the RR;

2) at least around here RR's draw better than crits, so by putting the RR on Sunday, you have a better chance of people staying over to race on Sunday, than if you put the Crit on Sunday.


agree. but put the crit on in the morning and the TT on in the afternoon. the idea behind a TT is to "leave it all on the course" thus, you might be wrecked the rest of the day.

i think if you did the TT first, you'd have a lot of people showing up for only one or the other. if you put the crit first, you'd have most people doing both.

mollusk 11-26-08 10:03 AM

It is easier to run a RR and TT on the same day because you can use the same roads.

snoboard2 11-26-08 10:23 AM

^ That's what we're planning on doing. Really just wanted to know how people felt.

rizz 11-26-08 10:49 AM

Remove the TT and everything comes together. As a bonus, you're team won't be spread out trying to handle three different events.

JaRow 11-28-08 11:37 PM

Keep the RR and TT together on Sat and put the Crit Sunday morning.
Are you guys co-hosting the race with Auburn? I don't see you on the schedule.

flyguy676 11-29-08 12:46 AM

Night time crits are the best!!!!

CrimsonKarter21 11-29-08 06:09 PM

Road Race on Saturday in the am, TT on Sunday in the Am, followed by a night crit.

Doing a TT and a RR on the same day would be too much for most people, especially if it's an omnium and there are people trying to win everything. The crit would be less mileage and a little less stressful than the RR, so I think it'd be well coupled on the same day of the TT.

How long would each race be?
I'd be imagining a 60 mile race for the RR, 30 for the crit, and a 40k for the TT?

JaRow 11-29-08 08:11 PM


Originally Posted by CrimsonKarter21 (Post 7935768)
Road Race on Saturday in the am, TT on Sunday in the Am, followed by a night crit.

Doing a TT and a RR on the same day would be too much for most people, especially if it's an omnium and there are people trying to win everything. The crit would be less mileage and a little less stressful than the RR, so I think it'd be well coupled on the same day of the TT.

How long would each race be?
I'd be imagining a 60 mile race for the RR, 30 for the crit, and a 40k for the TT?

The problem with a night crit is that I need to get back to school the next day and night crits make that really tough to do.

Val23708 11-29-08 09:03 PM

drop the RR. if you need the money, hold a USCF Crit in the afternoon after the crit on sunday

zzzwillzzz 11-30-08 10:03 PM

is it a stage race or just 3 individual races?

do the crit on sat, it will be much easier. if you have enough officials while some groups are doing the tt other groups can be doing the crit and vice versa. so some would race the tt in the morn and the crit in the afternoon while the other half will race the crit in the morn and the tt in the afternoon. that's the way they do one of our local stage races

king-tony 12-01-08 07:36 AM

I'd go three TT's.... Almost every weekend here is a 3 race weekend (with a few exceptions). Pretty much all of them are Saturday AM RR, afternoon TT, Sunday Crit. We did one with the TT first which I really prefer.

All that being said, in one of the GA Cup races I did last year it was Sat morning TT, afternoon crit, and Sunday road race. To me this makes the most sense, but the field was really tired for the RR.

TideCrazy3193 12-01-08 10:35 PM


Originally Posted by JaRow (Post 7933141)
Keep the RR and TT together on Sat and put the Crit Sunday morning.
Are you guys co-hosting the race with Auburn? I don't see you on the schedule.

USF dropped and we picked it up I believe. The problem with doing a race sunday night is that the teams are travelling so far, we try to be done by Sunday afternoon to leave the rest of the time for travel. Could be anywhere from a 3-12 hour drive. Have to be considerate for the other teams.

snoboard2 12-02-08 02:29 PM


Originally Posted by zzzwillzzz (Post 7942188)
is it a stage race or just 3 individual races?

do the crit on sat, it will be much easier. if you have enough officials while some groups are doing the tt other groups can be doing the crit and vice versa. so some would race the tt in the morn and the crit in the afternoon while the other half will race the crit in the morn and the tt in the afternoon. that's the way they do one of our local stage races

I'd like to make it an omnium and hand out little medals or something for each race and a tshirt for the overall.

I like the idea about a USCF crit in the afternoon following the collegiate races. Good idea!

Brian Ratliff 12-02-08 02:38 PM


Originally Posted by merlinextraligh (Post 7920869)
I'd put the crit on Saturday, for a couple of reasons.

1) presumably the Crit will be shorter than the RR, so it makes more sense to double up the TT with the Crit, than with the RR;

2) at least around here RR's draw better than crits, so by putting the RR on Sunday, you have a better chance of people staying over to race on Sunday, than if you put the Crit on Sunday.

1+ The shorter crit should be doubled up with the TT, with the longer RR the next day.

Another thought... I don't know if this is a stage race or an omnium, but if it's a stage race, then there is not much time to be gained in the crit and you won't get much competition if it's on Sunday and everyone is tired from the RR and it's just kind of a formality. (EDIT: I obviously didn't read post 16)

Last thought... In the lower cats, many people are probably reconfiguring their road bikes for the TT, which means that the shorter crit should be on Saturday so they can have more time to recover from the TT effort and reconfigure their bike for mass start use.


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