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How many races did you win this year?

Old 11-30-08, 02:09 PM
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How many races did you win this year?

Why, if we call this a team sport, do we only count a win as an individual achievement?

I go into greater detail here, but my question is really simple: if my team won 20 races this year - races in which I contributed in one way or another (lead out, blocking, chasing, attacking, etc.) - why do I only say I won 5 races, and not 20?

That's an example. I didn't win 5.
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Old 11-30-08, 02:12 PM
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I had no wins and my teammates had no wins, so I can safely say that I won zero races this year. At least there's no confusion, I guess.
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Old 11-30-08, 02:16 PM
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OK, but someday...
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Old 11-30-08, 02:22 PM
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I won five Junior races, and one cat 4 road race.
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Well, I think that it's a good point. If I help a teammate to a win, my part might not be the same as getting to throw my arms in the air over the finish line, but I think that I would feel like I had some part of that victory. Might as well call it a win, rather than trying to divide it into fractions - just call it a team win or something, vs. personal wins. So, your conversation goes like this: "How many races did you win this year?" "Oh, one personal win, seven team wins, it was a great season."
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Old 11-30-08, 02:39 PM
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I won one race this year. Since it was a match sprint, I guess I can claim it as uniquely mine in many ways!

I guess I contributed to a couple of podiums by team mates, which was satisfying. Will have to better next year! Pity I'm bad at road racing; I should stick to track and cross.
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Old 11-30-08, 02:56 PM
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I've never won a race (best place 15th in a Cat 4 drizzly crit), but me and about 5 other guys
towed two of our guys to the front and helped to propel them into third and second (they got
beat buy a guy would go on to place second in the cat-3 state crit-championships the following
year). I wasn’t in any kind of good shape, but that I was supposed to be near my guys near the
end to help gave me more purpose than just to ride to get more fit, and I felt pretty satisfied. I
helped a lil, but in the end the pressure was on them to win.
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Old 11-30-08, 02:59 PM
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well I won 3 mountain bike races so those are all mine. My road wins are mine too, even though I did have help.


I don' count a win unless it's me crossing the line first. Helping for a win is all well and good but it is in no way the same. If I was the one who could win on a given day I wouldn't be working for someone else. The days I won my teammates made the choice that I was our best bet. They get to feel good but it's still my win. Same goes for the days I help them win. It goes on their resume not mine.

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Old 11-30-08, 03:01 PM
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the podium only has 3 places, and each step only fits one skinny bike racer. those in the know are aware of who contributed what, and to a worker bee at the trench amateur level, that's gratifying enough.
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Old 11-30-08, 03:03 PM
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I won none. My team won none that I was in. I guess there is no internal conflict within my racing zen. I will strive to upset that this year.
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Old 11-30-08, 03:07 PM
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I won one race this year. I wasn't involved in many team races where we were in contention.
But I would consider it a "we won" type thing.
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Old 11-30-08, 03:15 PM
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i won one race but i only entered 2 i finished 7th in the 2cd race not to bad to be 43 and just starting out maybe this year i will buy a licenses and race more races.
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I usually say 'we.' In particular because I had 9 guys who basically sacrificed their seasons to work for me. All told our team won more races than I was able to keep track of.
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Old 11-30-08, 03:32 PM
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That's an interesting question. When you talk to non-cyclists, they just don't get it. Many lower cat racers don't even get it. It's tough to come in to work on Monday and telly everyone around the water cooler that "My team won a bike race" without having to explain everything. They probably still won't believe you after you explain it. Ugh.

I hope you'll see a lot of "we won" posts from RX, EDR, and I in 2009.
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Originally Posted by ZeCanon View Post
I don' count a win unless it's me crossing the line first. Helping for a win is all well and good but it is in no way the same. If I was the one who could win on a given day I wouldn't be working for someone else. The days I won my teammates made the choice that I was our best bet. They get to feel good but it's still my win. Same goes for the days I help them win. It goes on their resume not mine.
I think most would agree with this; that's really how it is. But my point is that it doesn't tell the whole story (of what this sport is about) to the lay person.
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I think most would agree with this; that's really how it is. But my point is that it doesn't tell the whole story (of what this sport is about) to the lay person.
Hashing out ideas for a new book?

No, it doesn't. But nothing can ever really explain the intricacies of road racing to non cyclists. When I try to explain it I usually go for something like a football reference.

"so only one guy actually scores a touchdown, right? Well, without a quarterback to get him the ball and without a bunch of ****** blocker dudes (i'm not up on my football lingo) getting the other ****** tackler dudes out of the way, he ain't scoring anything. Same deal with cycling. It's much harder to win without at least a couple people blocking and a few others making sure you "get the ball" right when you need it."
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race unattached. Exploit the opponents team tactics. Wins are all yours.

But yeah...you're right...should be "we" won. On that note, I don't recall how many races "we" won. It was quite a few. Of course that means if I don't place high, perhaps it's my team's fault?
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Old 11-30-08, 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by ZeCanon View Post

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"so only one guy actually scores a touchdown, right? Well, without a quarterback to get him the ball and without a bunch of ****** blocker dudes (i'm not up on my football lingo) getting the other ****** tackler dudes out of the way, he ain't scoring anything. Same deal with cycling. It's much harder to win without at least a couple people blocking and a few others making sure you "get the ball" right when you need it."
good example. Though I doubt many will be able to apply those images to guys on bikes dressed in funny looking tights.

to the OP. When I was a photographer I shot for another guy. Every picture I shot that was published was so under his name...his equipment, his expense, his connections...my leg work. I even had a few covers, but never saw my name. But I was paid well, fed well and had a good time working with him. It is the same principal in cycling (I think -- haven't had the "team win" experience yet...). When I do help a teammate win next season, I'd expect the courtesy of a good post race meal (even McD's) and a pat on the back with a "nice job." That seems to be the payment for working for another.

The difference between work and cycling is that "finishing" is another distinct job in and of itself. Getting there is one thing, crossing first is another. So, if I can win another race next year, with or without the help of teammate, I'll still call it mine.
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Old 11-30-08, 05:18 PM
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I'm unattached. Two third place finishes, one second place finish.

In my cat (4), teams are pretty unorganized, so I am pretty content to be only in it for myself.
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Nearly everyone on my team upgraded while I went the other way. I think only two races the whole year did I race with a team mate, and that was two stages of a three stage race.

OTOH, I won 5 races this season. They were all low attended time trials, but whatever.
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0 wins, 1 podium.

The team is just starting up so everyone's been learning.
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Old 11-30-08, 06:07 PM
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my team (unattached) probably won quite i few. i wasn't there for any of them.
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Old 11-30-08, 06:10 PM
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I'm unnattached. 1 win. A few podiums.

Plus I won a floor pump as a prime. I'm really proud of that one for some reason.
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Old 11-30-08, 06:25 PM
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0.00 sanctioned USCF events (I entered maybe 5).
0.00 cyclocross races (out of 4).

do club races count? of those I won 5 mass start races and one hill climb TT (not nearly as much competition)

I am unattached.
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Old 11-30-08, 06:38 PM
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I technically won my first and only race lol.
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