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Old 12-06-08, 07:19 AM
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"Winter Pace" Group Rides

I'm starting to get a little frustrated with the local group rides. All of them seem to have slowed down to "Winter Pace". What does that mean, you ask? Well, it seems to be ~4mph drop over the same terrain as in summer/fall. I can't even get a SST workout on these rides. I know the answer is to train alone but I do like riding with people once in a while. And it's not even like they're prescribing to LSD. These rides are the same distance as in summer, 2-3hr. Last week, I did try staying on the front more, short intervals off the back, etc...

Should I just STFU and ride alone?
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Old 12-06-08, 07:20 AM
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You want to ride with a group but don't like the intensity at which the group rides?

There isn't **** you can do about that other than:
1) Pull the group the whole time
2) Don't ride with that group.
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Old 12-06-08, 07:28 AM
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Just to clarify, I'm not blaming the groups and I'm not looking to change or push their pace. I'm also not looking for a hammerfest in December. I guess maybe I need to start a new ride in these parts for base building racers.
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do your workout before the ride, then join them after.

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Old 12-06-08, 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by botto View Post
do your workout before the ride, then join them after.

you're welcome.
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Old 12-06-08, 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by bdcheung View Post
You want to ride with a group but don't like the intensity at which the group rides?

There isn't **** you can do about that other than:
1) Pull the group the whole time
2) Don't ride with that group.
End of thread.
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Old 12-06-08, 01:15 PM
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Lead them around for 2+ hours at whatever pace you need.
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Old 12-06-08, 01:50 PM
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Old 12-06-08, 02:26 PM
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Old 12-06-08, 02:56 PM
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Yeah, it helps to ride with people who have common goals. I've got a group of 5 of us that all work together and go out at lunch for 23mph SST rides. Two of them are hanging on for dear life at the back, but they try really hard to make it to every ride.
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Old 12-06-08, 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by waterrockets View Post
Yeah, it helps to ride with people who have common goals. I've got a group of 5 of us that all work together and go out at lunch for 23mph SST rides. Two of them are hanging on for dear life at the back, but they try really hard to make it to every ride.
There's no better way to get faster. I love riding with people stronger than me if I can just barely hang on. That way, I don't feel like a liability because I can *just* keep up, and I get much stronger. When I improve, I can trade pulls with the person, shorter first and then longer. Add more and less people as you see fit.
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Old 12-06-08, 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by ljrichar View Post
I'm starting to get a little frustrated with the local group rides. All of them seem to have slowed down to "Winter Pace". What does that mean, you ask? Well, it seems to be ~4mph drop over the same terrain as in summer/fall. I can't even get a SST workout on these rides. I know the answer is to train alone but I do like riding with people once in a while. And it's not even like they're prescribing to LSD. These rides are the same distance as in summer, 2-3hr. Last week, I did try staying on the front more, short intervals off the back, etc...

Should I just STFU and ride alone?
I'm thinking you could either find (or establish) a new group or get on the front and drive that train, Casey Jones.
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Old 12-06-08, 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by ridethecliche View Post
There's no better way to get faster. I love riding with people stronger than me if I can just barely hang on. That way, I don't feel like a liability because I can *just* keep up, and I get much stronger. When I improve, I can trade pulls with the person, shorter first and then longer. Add more and less people as you see fit.
That's what I'm doing with my team's long weekend rides -- the CAT 3s and Masters have slowed down and it's a blast to ride with them, but by the end of 50-60 miles I'm working really hard to hang on. We have a double paceline and a couple CAT3s who pull longer than anyone, but we all get a chance to pull. It's a great way to get stronger.
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Old 12-06-08, 05:13 PM
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Bring a mtb instead.
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Originally Posted by botto View Post
do your workout before the ride, then join them after.

your welcome.
this is great advice. I love unwinding on a long mellow group ride after ive finished my more intense workout for the day. I did this in the middle of the road race season earlier this year for a week and it really rejuvenated me.
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Old 12-06-08, 08:59 PM
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do your workout before the ride, then join them after.

your welcome.
A beautiful way to ride. Love to do it, especially with the more chatty/female teammates.
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Old 12-06-08, 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted by waterrockets View Post
Yeah, it helps to ride with people who have common goals. I've got a group of 5 of us that all work together and go out at lunch for 23mph SST rides. Two of them are hanging on for dear life at the back, but they try really hard to make it to every ride.
Sounds to me like it's only an SST ride for 3 of ya.
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Old 12-06-08, 10:13 PM
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Yeah, they're always a step ahead of us in the periodizatino. They were doing SST when we were working on endurance. They're in specificity now... I just haven't told them yet.

Poor guys probably think of "SST" the way the rest of us think of WRI™
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Old 12-06-08, 10:26 PM
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Can you really call it "winter" pace in North Carolina?
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Old 12-06-08, 10:36 PM
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I can't remember the last time I rode my road bike on a road.

Seriously. It might have been a race.

Otherwise, it's been MTB in the snow/woods, and rollers in my garage.

So...don't complain about getting to ride with other people.

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Old 12-07-08, 08:22 AM
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I think their pace is appropriate for base training.
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Old 12-07-08, 08:34 AM
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Can you really call it "winter" pace in North Carolina?
That's kind of why I put it in quotes. I don't know how to do air quotes on the interweb. Anyway, that's what everyone seems to call it here.
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