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Old 04-09-09, 10:32 AM
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Lance in trouble? Armstrong could face AFLD sanction

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Seven-time Tour de France winner Lance Armstrong could soon face disciplinary proceedings from the French anti-doping agency AFLD, following what it says was improper behaviour during an anti-doping test carried out on 17 March 2009.

In a statement issued today, the AFLD said that Armstrong did not obey the rules of the World Anti-doping Agency's International Standard of Testing, specifically Article 5.4.1, which states that the person being subjected to an anti-doping control must remain within the sight of the doping control officer from the time of notification until the sample is collected.

The AFLD release stated that the UCI has already confirmed its right to open disciplinary proceedings against the American. "Via a letter dated April 8 sent to the Agency, President Pat McQuaid has, in his response, stated that the combined interpretation of the world [WADA] code and UCI anti-doping regulation conferred upon the AFLD the jurisdiction to open possible disciplinary proceedings against Mr. Lance Armstrong."

The WADA code article in question states, "when initial contact is made, the ADO [anti-doping official], DCO [doping control officer] or Chaperone, as applicable, shall ensure that the Athlete and/or a third party (if required in accordance with Clause 5.3.8) is informed.... of the Athlete's responsibilities, including the requirement to... remain within direct observation of the DCO/Chaperone at all times from the point of notification by the DCO/Chaperone until the completion of the Sample collection procedure."

Earlier this week, Armstrong responded to news that the AFLD had raised objections to the incident. He issued a statement saying that he was approached by the and team manager Johan Bruyneel were attempting to verify the validity of the person requesting the samples and Armstrong was permitted to leave.

"We told the tester we wanted to check with the UCI to confirm who he was and to make sure he wasn't just some French guy with a backpack and some equipment to take my blood and urine.

"Johan stayed with him and in his presence called the UCI to find out what was going on. We asked if it was OK for me to run inside and shower while they made their calls and the tester said that was fine."

The AFLD statement directly contradicts, this, saying that, "Mr Armstrong, despite being repeatedly warned by the examiner, did not meet the obligation to remain under direct and permanent observation."

As the national anti-doping agency, the AFLD has the authority to test all athletes on French soil, regardless of where their licence is registered. This is the same international rule that permitted CONI to carry out anti-doping tests during last year's Tour de France when the race visited Italy, and also enables USADA to carry out tests on riders at races such as the Tour of California.

Today's news is significant as the AFLD could potentially ban Armstrong from competing on French soil. If this is upheld against all appeals, this would rule out his bid for an eighth Tour de France crown this summer.

Armstrong would however be able to ride the Giro d'Italia. The race organisers yesterday announced a modification to the route of stage 16, which now no longer crosses the border to France.

Cyclingnews will have more on this story soon.
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what a load of crap.
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Wow, technicalities ftl.
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Originally Posted by djbowen1 View Post
"...We asked if it was OK for me to run inside and shower while they made their calls and the tester said that was fine."
end of story.
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They apparently never forgave us for Normandy. What a petty and small country they are.
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Eff em!
(That's my mature, grown up response.)
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can someone over in the EU go kick those guys in the junk for me?
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New rule - Whenever you want to make a Lance Armstrong thread, don't....chances are good 2-3 people have already beat you to it.
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can someone over in the EU go kick those guys in the junk for me?
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They apparently never forgave us for Normandy.
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Originally Posted by bdcheung View Post
end of story.
not quite.

Originally Posted by cyclingnews.com
The AFLD statement directly contradicts, this, saying that, "Mr Armstrong, despite being repeatedly warned by the examiner, did not meet the obligation to remain under direct and permanent observation."
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But is 20 minutes really enough time to do something quickly to pass a potentially "fail-able" test?
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as the "most tested athlete" in the world, I'd assume that armstrong knows the protocols about being in sight of the tester at all times. he removed himself from the presence of the tester. that's called violating the rules folks.

outside of that, it's a he said, he/she said circumstance. I believe that the AFLD rep wins that argument everytime.
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Originally Posted by SushiJoe View Post
But is 20 minutes really enough time to do something quickly to pass a potentially "fail-able" test?
Depending on what someone might be taking, yes it is. 5-10minutes is all you really need for some masking agents to go into effect.
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Originally Posted by MDcatV View Post
as the "most tested athlete" in the world, I'd assume that armstrong knows the protocols about being in sight of the tester at all times. he removed himself from the presence of the tester. that's called violating the rules folks.

outside of that, it's a he said, he/she said circumstance. I believe that the AFLD rep wins that argument everytime.
Yea, I think it was pretty stupid on lances part to walk out of sight for anything. He knows the rules and probably knew what would happen if this guy was a real tester, but chose to do it anyway. Makes you wonder what he was thinking.
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Blood samples, possibly. Maybe he was dehydrated after a 6 hour ride, thought it would be prudent to get some fluids in so he had no chance of being over the 50% hct cutoff. Or maybe a quick shot of a plasma expander to mask a greater than 50% hct from some undetectable drug that noone knows about. Or maybe he needed to take a few epi-testosterone pills in order to get his test to e-test correct, I think that could be like 20-30 minutes to hit his blood stream if he took it orally... doubtful if any of those were the case though, except for maybe being worried about the dehydration thing if he had been training.

Urinalysis, yes. Catheter up the ying yang, pump a clean water/solution into your bladder, then you can pee clean. That could be done in 5 minutes if you have experience I'm sure. If they were doing a blood test as well though, this would a waste of time.
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But is 20 minutes really enough time to do something quickly to pass a potentially "fail-able" test?
Not if you're way over, but if you're borderline certainly. Just drinking a lot of water a taking a piss helps dilute your urine and expand your plasma volume.

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Originally Posted by MDcatV View Post
as the "most tested athlete" in the world, I'd assume that armstrong knows the protocols about being in sight of the tester at all times. he removed himself from the presence of the tester. that's called violating the rules folks.

outside of that, it's a he said, he/she said circumstance. I believe that the AFLD rep wins that argument everytime.
+a billion. If he didn't anticipate fall out from something like this then there's something wrong.

At this point, this is like saying "piss off, I'm untouchable" and I have to say that the AFLD is totally within their bounds.

I mean, really. I've never "HAD" to shower inside the 20 minutes after I'm done riding for a long day. Hell, he shoulda said, "C'mon in while Johann investigates and lets watch some footage of me kicking arse in 7 tours"
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Originally Posted by merckx89 View Post
Depending on what someone might be taking, yes it is. 5-10minutes is all you really need for some masking agents to go into effect.
They took hair samples and blood, not just urine so NO. 20 minutes is not long enough to mask anything for those tests.

edit: maybe a blood tranfusion, but with the guy wiating outside i doubt it. lance couldnt have known how lon git would take to confirm the guy is legit.
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Originally Posted by SushiJoe View Post
But is 20 minutes really enough time to do something quickly to pass a potentially "fail-able" test?
More than enough and what hes taking wont show in a hair sample.
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Originally Posted by MDcatV View Post
as the "most tested athlete" in the world, I'd assume that armstrong knows the protocols about being in sight of the tester at all times. he removed himself from the presence of the tester. that's called violating the rules folks.

outside of that, it's a he said, he/she said circumstance. I believe that the AFLD rep wins that argument everytime.
This was the first time he'd been tested by AFLD. He asked the guy if he could go take a shower, and the tester said yes.

The tester also indicated "no" in the section regarding whether anything improper took place. And then they both signed it.

So, no, the AFLD rep doesn't win that one.
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More than enough and what hes taking wont show in a hair sample.
Ah yes, Mr. Inside Knowledge speaks the truth again.

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