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Tyler, what were you thinking?

Old 04-17-09, 08:26 AM
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Tyler, what were you thinking?

http://www.bikeradar.com/news/articl...ve-again-21269
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Old 04-17-09, 08:31 AM
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That article contains little detail. The Cycling News report provides much more information.


""There is no scientific evidence or basis for this steroid to be a performance enhancer," said Scott. "It is fair to suggest that the probablity of DHEA having a performance effect on anyone, at any amount taken is inconceivable. There is no good reason to take DHEA, this is a very foolish drug to take because it is readily detectable but it has no performance enhancements." "
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Old 04-17-09, 08:32 AM
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what a tard
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Old 04-17-09, 08:33 AM
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I poste this: http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=531952 over in Pro Cycling. It has a link to a NY Times article.
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Old 04-17-09, 08:35 AM
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Sounds like he wanted a way out of bike racing. DHEA doesn't appear to really fit the common definition of a "performance-enhancing drug".
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My thread is better and has been around longer

http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=526814
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Originally Posted by gsteinb View Post
My thread is better and has been around longer

http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=526814
Shill.
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it's not a controlled substance and available over the counter in the U.S. I'm not a big Tyler fan but this doesn't seem like a real attempt to cheat.
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Originally Posted by Dubbayoo View Post
it's not a controlled substance and available over the counter in the U.S. I'm not a big Tyler fan but this doesn't seem like a real attempt to cheat.
so do you think he's using it to battle dementia, infertility, or menopausal disorders? aside from a desperate attempt to cheat, why else would he be using DHEA? or maybe he just has too many wild yams in his diet.
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Originally Posted by Dubbayoo View Post
it's not a controlled substance and available over the counter in the U.S. I'm not a big Tyler fan but this doesn't seem like a real attempt to cheat.
I agree ,and I won't judge him on this because I've never experienced the despair a clinically depressed person can be in. It must be a terrible feeling to be so desperate that you'd do this. Sad.
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Celexa... stop taking that cold turkey and all sorts of weird things can happen...and he was dbl'n his dosages previous to that. Jesus he's lucky he didn't do something REALLY stupid.
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Originally Posted by MDcatV View Post
so do you think he's using it to battle dementia, infertility, or menopausal disorders? aside from a desperate attempt to cheat, why else would he be using DHEA? or maybe he just has too many wild yams in his diet.
Did you read the article?

"Technically, however, DHEA has very little performance-enhancing effects on the body.

"There is no scientific evidence or basis for this steroid to be a performance enhancer," said Scott. "It is fair to suggest that the probability of DHEA having a performance effect on anyone, at any amount taken is inconceivable. There is no good reason to take DHEA, this is a very foolish drug to take because it is readily detectable, but it has no performance enhancements."
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Old 04-17-09, 09:13 AM
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As I said in gsteinb's thread, yeah, he "depressed" himself into being the National Champion. How many people are we going to give a pass?

Rasmussen was just training in a different country. Lance just took a shower. Floyd just drank too much Jack. Tyler was just depressed. And on and on...

Sheesh. Get a clue.
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DHEA? Really?
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I'd say career suicide due to an unbalanced brain chemistry. Anti-depressants are not to be trifled with. He over doses for a coule weeks and stops completely. We're lucky we aren't reading about him riding naked into the front of an 18wheeler or off a cliff. Get the help you need Tyler. He's done racin', he's got more important issues to deal with.

Although, what he's done is almost a perfect criminal defense for just about anything, seeing that blood alcohol has been used as a not-my-fault-was-outta-my-head defense.
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Old 04-17-09, 09:18 AM
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I feel bad for the guy. His life, once so promising, is a mess. The irony is that on the bike he was mentally as tough as a person can be (e.g., IIRC grinding his teeth down to nothing while riding w broken collarbone in one of the Grand Tours), and off the bike he is as fragile as a person can be.
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Originally Posted by Nate552 View Post
Did you read the article?

"Technically, however, DHEA has very little performance-enhancing effects on the body.

"There is no scientific evidence or basis for this steroid to be a performance enhancer," said Scott. "It is fair to suggest that the probability of DHEA having a performance effect on anyone, at any amount taken is inconceivable. There is no good reason to take DHEA, this is a very foolish drug to take because it is readily detectable, but it has no performance enhancements."
honestly, no I didnt read the article. I looked up DHEA on the Mayo Clinic.com site, it has good info on it which suggests that there is good scientific evidence for using DHEA for treatment of adrenal insufficiency, which may improve among other things "exercise capacity". I dont know what exercise capacity means, but if I were a desperate 38 y.o. (hmmm, that kind of describes me) looking for an edge to prolong the only livelihood I know how to do, I could interpret it to mean it'll make me faster on a bike.

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/dhe...CTION=evidence

i'm not going to discount depression as a legit desease that hamilton might have, but if treatment of depression was a goal, there are alternatives that are medically acceptable and I'm confident could be used by a prof. cyclist with a T.U.E.
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I read about Tyler in a piece in the spring of 2003 sitting in the sands of Kuwait waiting to come back to the states prior to the Athens olympics. (think it was Bicycling magazine - bought it at the Air Force PX next to the place we loaded our HMMWV back on the boat for our float home)

I thought then, "Man, what a guy! I hope he does well." I didn't have a clue about pro-cycling, at the time only a recreational mountain biker. The downward spiral from then till now is sad. He basically says, "Yeah, I started taking it and I knew I'd pop." That speaks volumes - and certainly doesn't point to someone trying to take it for the - apparently - very minimal chance of performance benefits.

I just hope he's got something he can fall back on and move on to while getting whatever help he needs. If cycling is all he's got, it's going to be a long road to recovery.
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Can he really be this stupid though? From what I read on velonews, what he took had DHEA clearly listed on the label. Why would he take that if was trying to cheat? I think he wanted to get caught, but have no idea why. It's sad more than anything.
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I'm thinkin it was the misuse of his anti-D that had him buying the over the counter stuff.
Deliberate sabotage as opposed to quitting?
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Originally Posted by MDcatV View Post
honestly, no I didnt read the article. I looked up DHEA on the Mayo Clinic.com site, it has good info on it which suggests that there is good scientific evidence for using DHEA for treatment of adrenal insufficiency, which may improve among other things "exercise capacity".
Interesting info, thanks. I wonder why the doctor in the article says something so conflicting? If he truly is depressed then our attempts to rationalize his actions and to try to figure out why he did it just won't work. I know I simply can't put myself in the mental state he would have been in.
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Yeah, let's not pass judgment here. There's something deeper he's dealing with. None of us may never know.

There's things in all our lives that if brought out in the open we'd all run like mice. These guys are put in a spotlight 24-7. I'd hate that. My life is a mess enough with only a small circle of friends knowing crap I wish they didn't.
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Originally Posted by kwrides View Post
As I said in gsteinb's thread, yeah, he "depressed" himself into being the National Champion. How many people are we going to give a pass?

Rasmussen was just training in a different country. Lance just took a shower. Floyd just drank too much Jack. Tyler was just depressed. And on and on...

Sheesh. Get a clue.
i can't believe that you don't see the distinction here, but i will point it out to you. rasmussen said he did nothing wrong. lance said he did nothing wrong. floyd said he did nothing wrong. and on and on. tyler said that he took the drug. he is not asking for a pass. he retired. as of now, the results are consistent with his story.
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Originally Posted by fly:yes/land:no View Post
i can't believe that you don't see the distinction here, but i will point it out to you. rasmussen said he did nothing wrong. lance said he did nothing wrong. floyd said he did nothing wrong. and on and on. tyler said that he took the drug. he is not asking for a pass. he retired. as of now, the results are consistent with his story.
Yeah, after he got busted a second time and disgraced our National Championship, he came clean. Woo-hoo!
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Yeah, let's not pass judgment here. There's something deeper he's dealing with. None of us may never know.

There's things in all our lives that if brought out in the open we'd all run like mice. These guys are put in a spotlight 24-7. I'd hate that. My life is a mess enough with only a small circle of friends knowing crap I wish they didn't.
He walked away with an unearned gold medal. Being judged, where perhaps you don't deserve it later on, is part of the price you pay for being full of ****.
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