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Old 06-10-04, 06:54 AM
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Vaughters predicts dominant win on Ventoux by Mayo

This is an interesting prediction by the current record holder for the Ventoux ascent and former Postie Jonathan Vaughters. From cyclingnews.com:

"The record for this climb is 56:50, held by Jonathan Vaughters, a former pro with US Postal and Credit Agricole and now a director of the US TIAA-Cref team. Cyclingnews spoke to Vaughters at the start today in Bedoin, and he gave us his prognostic:

"My prediction is that the record will be broken and that it will be Mayo who does it," he said. "Whoever beats it will be around 56 minutes flat. I think Armstrong will be second but I think Mayo will beat Armstrong by so much that it'll worry him..."

Vaughters added that "Third place will be some Phonak guy, but not Tyler Hamilton.""

What do you guys think?

We'll find out in an hour or so if he is correct.. cyclingnews.com has live coverage.
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Mayo put almost 2 minutes on Lance


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Ridiculous.

Absolutely ridiculous.
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Mayo put almost 2 minutes on Lance
So, is Lance really not going for the win, or is Mayo really that much better? I guess time will tell!
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So, is Lance really not going for the win, or is Mayo really that much better? I guess time will tell!
History has shown us that Lance can play some mind games and do a little bluffing when he wants to. Not saying that's what happened, but it's not beyond the realm of possibility.
 
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That's a good point, don. We'll see what the next three days bring us.
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So, is Lance really not going for the win, or is Mayo really that much better? I guess time will tell!
I had a feeling that Armstrong really wanted to win there, and at least wanted a strong test of his equipment. This is why I think Vaughters is correct in saying "it will worry him".
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When you look at it that way, it makes the idea that this is just a huge bluff a little more obvious to me. Everyone thinks Lance is going to go flat out because he wants this win so badly, yet he 'cracks' and loses 2 minutes.

I don't know, sounds fishy to me.

Or it could be that Lance is finally human. We'll see.
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Seeing that Lance and his Coaches have made statements earlier about how they are choosing races that contain hard/or uphill time trials. I can only assume that they are using his performances in these events to check his progress, measure his fitness level compared to the competition and map a strategy for the TdF. It makes no sense for him to not give his all today.

I read he had all sorts of new lightweight kit, superlight carbon wheels etc. I am curious to see what set up Mayo was running. As in last years TdF, he won on the A'lpe using a standard orbea starship frame, TdF edition Ksyriums(tubular), and Dura Ace 9 speed.
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If they started 1'00" apart, as I think they did, then Tyler passed Lance on the road. That must've been interesting for a whole boatload of reasons.

If Mayo is a huge favorite going into the TdF, with Tyler there also, Lance could be an underdog.

But honestly, I don't think that's going to help. The other riders are too fixated on Lance. They're going to bring a "pack of wolves bringing down a deer" mentality to the race. It's kind of sad, but I think that many of them will see it as a victory, and will feel a sense of pride, if ANYONE other than Lance wins.
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There's a god chance you're right, but we will have to wait and see.
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Originally Posted by rygreen
But honestly, I don't think that's going to help. The other riders are too fixated on Lance. They're going to bring a "pack of wolves bringing down a deer" mentality to the race. It's kind of sad, but I think that many of them will see it as a victory, and will feel a sense of pride, if ANYONE other than Lance wins.
I think that that is why Armstrong needs a strong team much more than the others do.
It really started to show last year... the attitude of Armstrong's rivals seemed to be 'either you (Armstrong) chase, or you lose the race'. I think it's really lame. Like they don't mind if someone else steals the race, as long as Armstrong doesn't win (since USPS is the favorite, they are 'obliged' to control the race).
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If they started 1'00" apart, as I think they did, then Tyler passed Lance on the road. That must've been interesting for a whole boatload of reasons.
They started 2 minutes apart. I'm sure the results still worry LA just as much. Even Oscar Sevilla beat him by 55 seconds.
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Originally Posted by Smoothie104
Seeing that Lance and his Coaches have made statements earlier about how they are choosing races that contain hard/or uphill time trials. I can only assume that they are using his performances in these events to check his progress, measure his fitness level compared to the competition and map a strategy for the TdF. It makes no sense for him to not give his all today.
Yeah, VeloNews says "...Armstrong crossed the summit in 57:49 ( which is actually the fastest by three seconds that the five-time Tour winner has ever climbed Mont Ventoux)" ... So, I don't think he was messing around.

Originally Posted by Smoothie104
I read he had all sorts of new lightweight kit, superlight carbon wheels etc. I am curious to see what set up Mayo was running. As in last years TdF, he won on the A'lpe using a standard orbea starship frame, TdF edition Ksyriums(tubular), and Dura Ace 9 speed.
Same VeloNews article says: "For the first time, he was using a brand-new climbing bike from Orbea, the lightest that Mayo has ever ridden."
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I know Euskaltel has new Carbon Orbeas, with 10 speed Dura Ace....but

Mayo won this time trial riding an all alloy frame of some sort, It looks like Columbus Starship, with Euskaltels 2002 paintjob! carbon fork, and what looks like 9 speed Dura Ace. Ksyrium Wheels with Tubulars, no aero bar attachments. I am surprised that he didn't use carbon rims, but maybe they are not in the budget. Looks like he didn't need them. The rear drop outs may be drilled out how ever....



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Originally Posted by ChiefCatchacold
Yeah, VeloNews says "...Armstrong crossed the summit in 57:49 ( which is actually the fastest by three seconds that the five-time Tour winner has ever climbed Mont Ventoux)" ... So, I don't think he was messing around.
That doesn't mean much, because they were referring to his time in a road stage (2002).
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No, they were referring to his time in the '99 Dauphine Ventoux ITT - the same stage that Vaughters set his record on.
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Everyone should be aiming for Lance and attempting to wound and bring down the deer as it was worded. That is the nature of the sport and why the team is so important. I would not want to see a 6 time winner any other way, he should beat all comers in every way possible. As soon as Lance falls behind, if it happens, there will be those joining up with him to bring down the other deer. In the end...the best,smartest rider, from the strongest team should be standing on the top podium spot. I think we sometimes forget to really credit the team for all they do.
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Originally Posted by Smoothie104
I know Euskaltel has new Carbon Orbeas, with 10 speed Dura Ace....but

Mayo won this time trial riding an all alloy frame of some sort, It looks like Columbus Starship, with Euskaltels 2002 paintjob! carbon fork, and what looks like 9 speed Dura Ace. Ksyrium Wheels with Tubulars, no aero bar attachments. I am surprised that he didn't use carbon rims, but maybe they are not in the budget. Looks like he didn't need them. The rear drop outs may be drilled out how ever....

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Those are DA10 levers. He's riding DA10. The frame maybe all aluminum but that allows for a totally custom built frameset that can be *just* at the UCI weight limit and be tailor-made for him. The Ksyriums are 2004 and for the windy conditions, not a bad idea.
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Whats with the old crankset?
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Yes, the team is crucial, and now we see how important the French change to the TTT really is.

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Looks like it's the new Dura Ace crank but with traditional rings.
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Damn Big Floppy, where did you get that photo, that would have answered all my questions........
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Damn Big Floppy, where did you get that photo, that would have answered all my questions........
Graham Watson's site
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Graham Watson's site
Yep, I like his picture a lot better than the ones on cycling news. Just a shame there aren't as many.
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