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Old 09-03-10, 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by mike868y View Post
Does anyone here crosstrain with a rowing machine? They are real big in the mx world and they have a couple here at hopkins in the gym. I know that a lot of rowers turned cyclists are very strong, but I was wondering if you guys thought it would be me worth doing a couple of sessions on the rowing machine this winter.
You know my thoughts on this, but...

Rowing works your legs, core, and back. It'll make your upper body 'pulling' muscles stronger and your body more stable. I think a couple of sessions in the winter is an excellent idea. You might put on some mass doing it, and I don't think that's a bad thing for you.

I think you'll be in for a huge world of hurt. It's worse than cycling, especially on an erg.

Go for it!
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Originally Posted by ridethecliche View Post
You know my thoughts on this, but...

Rowing works your legs, core, and back. It'll make your upper body 'pulling' muscles stronger and your body more stable. I think a couple of sessions in the winter is an excellent idea. You might put on some mass doing it, and I don't think that's a bad thing for you.

I think you'll be in for a huge world of hurt. It's worse than cycling, especially on an erg.

Go for it!
That's the answer i was looking for! I think my core/upper body really could use some work and lifting is boring to me (but I probably need to htfu and just do it eventually).

Anything I should know before I start? Do the machines have like variable resistance? How long do you spend on it? Sorry, I'm a newb.
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Old 09-03-10, 01:41 PM
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An hour of z1/z2 this morning on my Yolo County detour commute. I called in to the receptionist and said I'd be in late because I had to run an "errand" on the way to work this morning.
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Originally Posted by mike868y View Post
That's the answer i was looking for! I think my core/upper body really could use some work and lifting is boring to me (but I probably need to htfu and just do it eventually).

Anything I should know before I start? Do the machines have like variable resistance? How long do you spend on it? Sorry, I'm a newb.
Get someone who knows how to stroke teach you how to do the movement. If I had known you were going to do this, I would have called you to wes and showed you myself. You look like a total idiot if you don't stroke properly. Watch a few videos or ask a guy or girl on the crew team to show you when they're not busy working out. At wes they were really friendly (it helped that I knew them all) but I'm not sure how it is at a D1 school.
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Old 09-03-10, 02:45 PM
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Well after I got talking about rowing, I really wanted to go try it out. I watched a couple videos, but I'm sure I still looked like an idiot. I haven't met anyone on the crew team, but I'll try to look some of them up. I did like 30 minutes (6400m). I'm sure that is a pitiful amount, but it hurt like hell. It is nice to hurt in a different way than cycling once in a while. Really a good workout. I'm going to try and work this in 2-3 times a week hopefully throughout at least base 3. Hopefully I can do like 40 miles tomorrow morning and then maybe a group ride on Sunday.

RTC, I think Hopkins is only D1 for lacrosse and D3 for everything else.
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Ride 3x a week LSD/tempo. Row hard 2-3x a week 30-60 mins. Rest 1 day a week. You'll be in good shape in the spring.
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Doing CX practice tomorrow. The racing is a whole lot different than crits. If things go really wrong in a crit, you end the day in surgery. If things go really wrong racing CX, you end up going home sober.

It's not a bad thing to take some of the risk off the table for a couple months.
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Oh ya, rowing is a great cross-train in my book. Any reasonable gym will have a Concept 2 machine, which is kind of the benchmark for rowing trainers.
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Old 09-04-10, 12:53 AM
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Originally Posted by ridethecliche View Post
Ride 3x a week LSD/tempo. Row hard 2-3x a week 30-60 mins. Rest 1 day a week. You'll be in good shape in the spring.
How hard would "hard" rowing be? Like how many m/hr or however they do it in the rowing world.
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Old 09-04-10, 05:52 AM
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Day off today.
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Old 09-04-10, 07:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Fat Boy View Post
If things go really wrong racing CX, you end up going home sober.
The two guys I ride with often who are really into CX (and are pretty good- one went to nationals, the other won a local series) both broke collar bones in the last two years while racing or practicing CX.
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Old 09-04-10, 01:23 PM
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Beautiful day for a ride this morning. I was following one of the loops on the hopkins cycling blog, but it led me to a sketchy street that I didn't feel comfortable going down, especially alone. So I turned back and rode near where I have been riding the past couple days. Got lost a couple times, but made it back. 3:20, 187 TSS. Maybe a group ride tomorrow if I can drag my lazy arse out of bed for 9.
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Old 09-04-10, 02:00 PM
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Went for my first run in over 8 months as i have no bike back at home in NC. my quads are effing sore as hell.
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Old 09-04-10, 10:07 PM
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Fun team ride today.

Race legs are in full effect with no real races to do.. might do cross to at least get something out of them. Not ready for base quite yet.
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legs still recovering from Thursday's low cadence high force run...Kind of amazed I put an inch on my thighs last month - got a long ways to go yet! Probably gonna just do some mild base today, low force high cadence for an hour or two - probably more like two as I havent touched my endurance much and my body keeps telling me it wants to do another century soon...
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Old 09-05-10, 12:37 PM
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Tomorrow is the last race of my season. Today was 45' easy spin, plus a few bursts to 30mph and then practiced cornering in a parking lot.
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easy week with spinning getting ready for the High Pass challenge sept 12th.
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Quality time with Friel trying to put together my first coherent and targeted training plan. I anticipate needing help, y'all.
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Another awesome ride today. The weather lately has been unbelievable and I'm finding some really nice roads to ride on. I've also seen a lot more people on the road than I did back home, which is kind of nice, including a couple of guys from KBS that I see often. I also felt really really strong today. Probably just because the weather was beautiful and I slept in this morning, but I haven't felt like this on the bike in a while. Power numbers are nothing spectacular though. 1:54, 134 TSS.
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Old 09-05-10, 06:20 PM
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This post is going to be very 41-ish. Feel free to slay me if you like, 'cause it ain't gonna bother me one stinkin' bit.

Today I went on my goal ride for 2010.

http://connect.garmin.com/activity/47749593

Prior to June, 2010, I had not touched a road bike for 25 years. When I first bought my Felt, I had to stand up on the pedals to get over highway overpasses. My weight was high, my cholesterol through the roof, and my knees and hips ached 24/7. I had this ride in mind 3 months ago when I bought it, and today was the day. The ride is shown as 76 miles miles but both mapmyride and bikeridetoaster say it's 80 miles. I'll have to calibrate the 705. Right now I have it set for 700x23c. Oh well. I had wanted to do this ride in under 5 hours. I did it in 4.5, and would have gone faster if it wasn't for the 20mph headwind on the way back. In the three months up to this point, I have lost 20 pounds and three inches on my waist. I now weigh 10 pounds more than when I last raced at age 27. My cholesterol has been cut in half, and I no longer have issues with my knees and hips. I will have to work very hard over the winter to get into racing shape, but I plan on it, and will call USAC after the first of the year to explore reinstating my license.

Here are some cell shots from the ride. It is an extension of the Quabbin Road Race which is run in April and attracts some big P/1/2 teams from across the country because it is 127 miles for them and has lots of climbing.

View of the Quabbin Reservoir from the Pelham line.



New Salem, after the long climb.



Yes, there is a town called Athol, and yes, I lived there, while between houses and jobs.



The Templeton Ice Cream Barn where my wife worked as a teenager. I stopped for a Coke. A stoner reeking of weed thought my bike was "sick".



Queen Lake in Royalston, where my FIL was born. Lots of short 10%-12% rollers which hurt later.



Petersham Common.



Hardwick Common.



The Gilbertville Hotel. A local saw me stop to take the picture and offered me water. I think he was from the Addam's Family and lived in the hotel.



Janine's Frostee in Ware. I only stopped for a Coke, but they have the best lobster rolls for $10.75 anywhere in Western MA. I did not indulge.



The Quabbin Reservoir from the top of the Winsor Dam. I live a few miles from here.



Thanks for reading.
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Old 09-05-10, 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by shovelhd View Post
Prior to June, 2010, I had not touched a road bike for 25 years. When I first bought my Felt, I had to stand up on the pedals to get over highway overpasses. My weight was high, my cholesterol through the roof, and my knees and hips ached 24/7. I had this ride in mind 3 months ago when I bought it, and today was the day. The ride is shown as 76 miles miles but both mapmyride and bikeridetoaster say it's 80 miles. I'll have to calibrate the 705. Right now I have it set for 700x23c. Oh well. I had wanted to do this ride in under 5 hours. I did it in 4.5, and would have gone faster if it wasn't for the 20mph headwind on the way back. In the three months up to this point, I have lost 20 pounds and three inches on my waist. I now weigh 10 pounds more than when I last raced at age 27. My cholesterol has been cut in half, and I no longer have issues with my knees and hips. I will have to work very hard over the winter to get into racing shape, but I plan on it, and will call USAC after the first of the year to explore reinstating my license.
Nice, and those photos made me a bit homesick for MA for the first time in about 10 years.
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I look forward to being in a race with you next season.
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I am planning as a long term goal to train up for the Melbourne-Warnambool race next year (October 2011). This is an open race, on the UCI calendar, is the second oldest bike race in the world and is the longest one day race in the world (299km).

http://www.melbournetowarrnambool.co...ndex.php?cat=2

I will be training up to try and stay with the main group for the race (ie. not get dropped) and to finish in a decent time.

From speaking with people that have done this race, I would need to start getting in 6-7 hour constant training rides in (ie, not stopping for coffee half way through!) to get used to the time/distance on the bike.

Any other suggestions on what I should be doing to help train up for this?

Thanks

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Nice ride Shovel - and that's an awesome improvement in just a few short months!
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