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Old 01-22-11, 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by esammuli View Post
I'm planning on going long tomorrow. I should see you out there.
Well that was a rude awakening... But alot of fun.

I think the last time I saw your UCLA kit was shortly after we turned on to Elfin Forest road. I was burning and searing already and figured that I was OTB, but much to my suprise there was 15+ riders who were feeling the same way.

I turned left at Harmony Grove and hopped over to Barham. I should have stopped at the church and said hello but I was feeling a little defeated.

Lookin forward to doing this next week as well, my ride time (door-to-door in Vista) was only 2:15!
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Old 01-22-11, 12:54 PM
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2:40 minutes on the rollers at 75% ftp. Was shooting for 3 hrs but I was rather tired. This week was a rest week and I ended up doing 11hrs total.
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Old 01-22-11, 01:12 PM
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60 minute crit.

Gonna see if I can pedal less then 75% of the time.
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Old 01-22-11, 02:37 PM
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River Ride. Big group. Tried to keep a steady effort as much as possible.

223 tss
1924 kj
242 w norm. power
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Old 01-22-11, 02:42 PM
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Next week I'm taking it easy. I've hit it hard the last two weeks with a couple of failed attempts because my fitness stinks.
I'm going to start (really try) paying attention to recovering more.
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Old 01-22-11, 02:44 PM
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2 hours on the trainer with 4 x 5' 20/40s. It hurt. It was good.
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Old 01-22-11, 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by caloso View Post
River Ride. Big group. Tried to keep a steady effort as much as possible.

223 tss
1924 kj
242 w norm. power
How long? Also, do you know your threshold yet? If not, TSS is meaningless!
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Old 01-22-11, 02:46 PM
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2:24, 49 miles. Just got the Quarq so I'm only posting what trainingpeaks tells me.
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Old 01-22-11, 03:06 PM
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I just realized what you were saying. Training peaks, up until now, had been estimating tss on heart rate. Which I assume it will continue to do until I enter in a threshold power number.
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Old 01-22-11, 03:14 PM
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Ah cool.

What did the best 20 min period and hour look like?

Can you post it up here?
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Old 01-22-11, 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by ridethecliche View Post
How long? Also, do you know your threshold yet? If not, TSS is meaningless!
What do you mean by meaningless? Do you mean at least 1% meaningless or 100% meaningless?

No one will ever know their "true" threshold power. One can get estimates, and some of the methods
may provide reasonably accurate estimates. However, TSS can still be extremely useful even when
using a threshold value that is off; although, certainly, the degree to which that is off -- all else being equal as there are other elements that make up TSS -- will impact TSS.

To say with a blanket statement that TSS is meaningless without knowing threshold is guidance with which one should be careful.

I suspect that caloso has some estimate of it as TSS was computed!!!! By definition, the ride was longer than 2 hours and he may very well have a reasonable estimate of threshold -- many ways to do it. WKO+ can do it I believe.


2 hours for me on the trainer today. I thought about riding outside. But, since I would have done at most 2 hours outside, I thought the quality would be better indoors.
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Old 01-22-11, 04:10 PM
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89 minutes on trainer simulating rolling terrain. Watched Black Sheep. Never got to watch this as it's not a type of movie my wife appreciates. I laughed a few times. Not bad.
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Old 01-22-11, 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by TMonk View Post
Well that was a rude awakening... But alot of fun.

I think the last time I saw your UCLA kit was shortly after we turned on to Elfin Forest road. I was burning and searing already and figured that I was OTB, but much to my suprise there was 15+ riders who were feeling the same way.

I turned left at Harmony Grove and hopped over to Barham. I should have stopped at the church and said hello but I was feeling a little defeated.

Lookin forward to doing this next week as well, my ride time (door-to-door in Vista) was only 2:15!
I wouldn't feel bad. Today was one of the faster Swamis I can remember. Even the beginning up Levante was over 20mph. I never really went to the front except for the sprint and I still had some pretty high power numbers.
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Old 01-22-11, 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by bostongarden View Post
What do you mean by meaningless? Do you mean at least 1% meaningless or 100% meaningless?

No one will ever know their "true" threshold power. One can get estimates, and some of the methods
may provide reasonably accurate estimates. However, TSS can still be extremely useful even when
using a threshold value that is off; although, certainly, the degree to which that is off -- all else being equal as there are other elements that make up TSS -- will impact TSS.

To say with a blanket statement that TSS is meaningless without knowing threshold is guidance with which one should be careful.

I suspect that caloso has some estimate of it as TSS was computed!!!! By definition, the ride was longer than 2 hours and he may very well have a reasonable estimate of threshold -- many ways to do it. WKO+ can do it I believe.


2 hours for me on the trainer today. I thought about riding outside. But, since I would have done at most 2 hours outside, I thought the quality would be better indoors.
WKO's default threshold is 250, I believe. I think that if you didn't enter an estimated threshold into a program, then all the values coming out of it are bunk...

He got his quarq a few days ago. I don't think he's done a test or is using any sort of estimate. It seems that it was calculating TSS from heartrate data which is still 'meh' at best.
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Old 01-22-11, 04:41 PM
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Training race today. My race was short, but at least I got three good hard efforts in. On lap three I got caught behind a bunch of folks that "popped" just as the front was taking off. 25 mph solo on the back stretch (into a 15 to 20 mph headwind) and almost made up the gap. I figure if I caught up by the corner I could sit in and recover. Just missed it. Good Gawd, that hurt.

Since it was a training race I waited for the next lap to try and catch back on. Sprinted to the very back of the field as we hit the reverse camber corner and the very last guy in the group blows his rear tire right in front of me. Taking no chances I slow to a crawl to give him the entire road surface to safely finish the corner. Now the field is up the road with a huge tailwind. I bury it and get to the back of the field again, but now all the matches are burned. Then I decide to call it a day.
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Training race today. A bunch of teammates made it into the main break and the chase group, so a bunch of us were left to guard the field. With two to go, a guy attacked, I countered and rode away from what was left of the field. My legs are feeling better than a week ago, but still have some way to go.
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Old 01-22-11, 05:55 PM
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2.5 hour endurance ride with two z3 efforts and one z4 climbing effort. It was a beautiful day and I did not need leg warmers.
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core work. upper body work.
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core work.

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upper body work.
Excess weight.
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Old 01-22-11, 06:17 PM
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Excess weight.
The upper body work is minimal. 2 sets of 10 pushups, some tricep and bicep work, and the most important parts, shoulder shrugs and presses. I get really tight traps when riding so the shoulder shrugs help that.

The rest of it is just to not be a twig when sailing. You need some upper body strength to sail, mostly for hauling lines and moving sails around.
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Old 01-22-11, 08:43 PM
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Originally Posted by ridethecliche View Post
WKO's default threshold is 250, I believe. I think that if you didn't enter an estimated threshold into a program, then all the values coming out of it are bunk...

He got his quarq a few days ago. I don't think he's done a test or is using any sort of estimate. It seems that it was calculating TSS from heartrate data which is still 'meh' at best.
Yes, but "meh" over 8 months of nearly daily data inputs is enough to give me some indication of where I'm trending. FWIW, my 20' best was 265w. Should I plug that in until I have time to do a twenty minute TT?
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Originally Posted by caloso View Post
Yes, but "meh" over 8 months of nearly daily data inputs is enough to give me some indication of where I'm trending. FWIW, my 20' best was 265w. Should I plug that in until I have time to do a twenty minute TT?
What was the VI and NP?

What was the best hour? VI? NP?

I'm going to say, probably not, but it depends on the above. If you can do 242NP for an almost 3 hr ride, I'm guessing you're a bit above 265 to say the least.

Why not just do a test? It's 20 mins and if you go out, warm up, and do the test, you can be done in 40-60 mins and be fine to train the next day.

Hope you're enjoying the new toy
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I'll probably have to try Tuesday before work if the weather holds. 2 hour team ride tomorrow and then I'll probably take Monday off. I love the new toy, thanks.
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Old 01-22-11, 09:34 PM
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I deleted the workout, put 267 as threshold power and recalculated. It gave me a lower TSS (188). I think that's probably more like it. Good call, RTC.
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No problem.

Do your test and then keep training. The data should start looking like it makes sense in a month or so. Are you using trainingpeaks or wko?

An read racing and training with a power meter as you start figuring this stuff out.
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