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Old 08-10-09, 12:17 PM
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when a fred joins your team ride ...

say hi.

yesterday, an older guy joined our team ride. he was a fred's fred, with spd pedals, white tube socks, no water bottles but rather a gatorade bottle and a mountain due bottle, performance gel shorts, a forte saddle, a sleeveless stars and stripes jersey, and old old aerobars.

he seemed to be riding pretty smoothly, and although he was suffering, he didnt get dropped during any of the hard parts of our ride or at any of the sprint points, etc. at our nature break, he mentioned something about riding on the national team 30 years and 20 lbs ago, but I didnt pay much attention to what he said.

our ride was whittled down to 4 after the 1st big sprint point, including fred. we stopped at a store for water, he told us he was going to get popped, as did another of our 4, so we decided to just ride it tempo.

I started talking to fred, his name is "Mac". I asked him about his national team reference, and he started talking about racing in the late 1970s through 1983 when he swited to triathlon. Mac said he raced with Jonathon Boyer, Phinney, Lemond, Keifel, Roll, Grewal, Prehn, etc. Hamspten was a jr. at the time, so he said he never raced with him. He mentioned a bunch of other names I wasnt familiar with, and told some stories about racing on 5 continents, and that the belgians/northern euros would always suffer when they came to colorado because the amphetemines they were popping dehydrated them too much in heat and altitude.

I have no idea if he's legit, but I found talking to him pretty cool.

and no, he didnt all of a sudden drope the hamer and ride away from us leaving our tounges hanging at some point on the ride, he just kept up and was cool.
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Old 08-10-09, 12:34 PM
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No kidding? Now I don't feel as bad
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Starting racing in the late 70s could mean this guy was born in late 50s. So, maybe 50 years old. This is not some old relic - I get my arse handed to me on a silver platter regularly by 50 year olds. Judging by race results, fitness doesn't seem to really start dropping until 60-65.

Cool story though. It's always fun to ride with someone who can walk the walk.
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Old 08-10-09, 01:14 PM
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there is a 70 year old overweight guy who hangs out at the LBS. he looks the part of a fred, but back in "the day" he used to do the 24 hour time trials in syracuse. his record was just under 400 miles.
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Old 08-10-09, 01:21 PM
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nice story.
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Old 08-10-09, 03:05 PM
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There's an older Belgian gentleman who shows up to the faster group rides back home to wheelsuck and who also organizes a local, unofficial race series. He tells stories about doing an annual criterium at the Ellipse (by the White House) and other fun stuff from his younger days.
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Old 08-10-09, 03:23 PM
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Could he be Mac Canon, NC?

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Old 08-10-09, 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by MDcatV View Post
I have no idea if he's legit, but I found talking to him pretty cool.
Um...if the old fat guy with the tube socks hung with the hard core Road Nazis, I think you can safely assume he's reasonably legit.
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Old 08-10-09, 03:28 PM
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Some young strapping kid with sneakers shows up on our local Road Nazi ride a month back. I nudge Dave Freifelder (one of the fastest local Cat 2's around here, great bike racer) and I say 'watch Dave, he'll be the strongest kid on this ride today.' And it wasn't far from the truth.
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Old 08-10-09, 03:48 PM
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A friend of mine that I ride with is an old pro that went to the Olympic Training Camps with Coach B and also did some Euro racing. He is full of stories about Lemond, Phinney "The Elder", Nelson Vails, etc.

He started riding again last year. Back then I could drop him at will. Now it would be difficult. I'm thinking that by next year I will cry for mercy.
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Old 08-10-09, 04:00 PM
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Hey man, my TT bike has a Forte saddle (for a few more days anyway), and a Forte fork.

...and I forgot to pull my frame pump before the state champs this weekend

Nice story though. You just never know...
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Old 08-10-09, 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by waterrockets View Post
Hey man, my TT bike has a Forte saddle (for a few more days anyway), and a Forte fork.

...and I forgot to pull my frame pump before the state champs this weekend

Nice story though. You just never know...
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Old 08-10-09, 05:14 PM
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Hey, you never know, it may have made my rear seat stay more aerodynamic, being just in front of it. Well, maybe the stay made the pump more aerodynamic?
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Old 08-10-09, 05:30 PM
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Did a team ride from UCONN one day, now 20+ years ago. Guy on a mountain bike (back when they weighed 30+ lbs) with a backpack bursting with books asked if he could ride with us. He kept up with us, jeans, sneakers (but clips and straps), 70 degree seat tube angle, motorcycle brake levers, I couldn't believe he could break 20 mph on that thing. He did the ride, I think he split off near the end of the ride.

He shows up at the team meeting. He made some good comments and suggestions, and now that I think of it, I think one of his comments prompted me to do the skills training clinics at UCONN.

Ends up his name is Pat Morrisey and he was one of the best Juniors in the country. Place top 10 at Nationals in several events, won the state RR (he lapped everyone on a 5 km circuit solo at Ledyard, CT), would have one the TT except he flatted (he finished something like 3 or 4 minutes ahead of the next guy, prompting one of my club's leaders to say that if you think you'll do well in a TT, carry a tube/pump, because you can get going in about 1-2 minutes if you change the tube quickly, and you can still do well - so WR must have known that), etc etc. He raced for Mengoni and I think Oldsmobile (they had a pro team for a brief moment). He hurt his back and basically stopped riding. He was just riding along at school, saw the group, and couldn't resist hopping on. He decided to start riding again.

He won one of the Masters 'Cross Nationals recently. lol.

The local strong guy Tim Unkert (3rd at Elite Nationals in 04 or something, also 5th or 7th or something at Junior Nationals earlier) usually rides with a Gatorade bottle, lunky helmet, ratty tape, all semi-on-purpose. Old, old frame, old wheels, yucky stuff. He likes hammering on guys while using stuff that most of us would consider 3rd string equipment.

"Freds" with talent never lose that talent. They just get heavier.

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Old 08-10-09, 05:32 PM
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There is a guy named Rodney in Spartanburg, SC that was special forces in Vietnam and can hang with some pretty decent company on the bike. He also smokes cigarettes.
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Old 08-10-09, 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by waterrockets View Post
...and I forgot to pull my frame pump before the state champs this weekend
It could have come in handy. If the team behind you guys happened to be passing you, you could have "Cinzano'd" the lead rider.
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haha i thought this guy almost took my front wheel out at one point and i got kind of pissed.
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Old 08-10-09, 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by carpediemracing View Post
Did a team ride from UCONN one day, now 20+ years ago. Guy on a mountain bike (back when they weighed 30+ lbs) with a backpack bursting with books asked if he could ride with us. He kept up with us, jeans, sneakers (but clips and straps), 70 degree seat tube angle, motorcycle brake levers, I couldn't believe he could break 20 mph on that thing. He did the ride, I think he split off near the end of the ride.

He shows up at the team meeting. He made some good comments and suggestions, and now that I think of it, I think one of his comments prompted me to do the skills training clinics at UCONN.

Ends up his name is Pat Morrisey and he was one of the best Juniors in the country. Place top 10 at Nationals in several events, won the state RR (he lapped everyone on a 5 km circuit solo at Ledyard, CT), would have one the TT except he flatted (he finished something like 3 or 4 minutes ahead of the next guy, prompting one of my club's leaders to say that if you think you'll do well in a TT, carry a tube/pump, because you can get going in about 1-2 minutes if you change the tube quickly, and you can still do well - so WR must have known that), etc etc. He raced for Mengoni and I think Oldsmobile (they had a pro team for a brief moment). He hurt his back and basically stopped riding. He was just riding along at school, saw the group, and couldn't resist hopping on. He decided to start riding again.

He won one of the Masters 'Cross Nationals recently. lol.

The local strong guy Tim Unkert (3rd at Elite Nationals in 04 or something, also 5th or 7th or something at Junior Nationals earlier) usually rides with a Gatorade bottle, lunky helmet, ratty tape, all semi-on-purpose. Old, old frame, old wheels, yucky stuff. He likes hammering on guys while using stuff that most of us would consider 3rd string equipment.

"Freds" with talent never lose that talent. They just get heavier.

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That's me (minus the talent).

Pat was quite the talented youngster back in the day. I remember him as a junior riding for Laurel, thinking "Oh great, another junior who'll be kicking my butt when he turns senior."
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Old 08-11-09, 05:39 AM
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Originally Posted by carpediemracing View Post
"Freds" with talent never lose that talent. They just get heavier.
Some, like me became executives or had really good careers at something, worked many hours a week, the difference was that I (after many years of racing) realized that I was never going to make a real living at bike racing, and moved on to riding when I could and making enough to fund my lifestyle.

There are a few of us out there. I cybercommunicate with them often.
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how many American pros actually make a real living racing? Can it be counted on fingers?
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It's not the bike, it's the engine. It's not how you look, it's how fast you are. And, last but not least... you dropped all but 4 of the riders on your group ride?! How can you call it a "group" ride?
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Old 08-11-09, 01:12 PM
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I met Jerry Ash on my way through the hills after leaving a group ride. He's a former Nat'l team guy and he was friendly and even waited for me at the tops of the hills. He then told me he had lost a lung to cancer.
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It's not the bike, it's the engine. It's not how you look, it's how fast you are. And, last but not least... you dropped all but 4 of the riders on your group ride?! How can you call it a "group" ride?
Didn't say it was a "no-drop" ride. Our shop "A" rides are like that too. They stick together for the first 5 miles, then all bets are off. I got a flat last time and knew nobody would wait. But since I wasn't expecting them to, I was ok with it.

Our small group rides are a different story.
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It's not the bike, it's the engine. It's not how you look, it's how fast you are. And, last but not least... you dropped all but 4 of the riders on your group ride?! How can you call it a "group" ride?


Been on rides that have ended with two or three down from 10-12, the "group" to me is the first multiple of riders (anything less than one rider).
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It's not the bike, it's the engine. It's not how you look, it's how fast you are. And, last but not least... you dropped all but 4 of the riders on your group ride?! How can you call it a "group" ride?
I dont think I did call it a group ride, but just to answer your ?, most of the team members live in a similar geography, meet at a local coffee shop, then ride out and pick up a team member (me) on the road. We usually have a set route that permits those who need to to peel off early and ride home if there are family or other obligations they need to tend to. So it isnt that we "dropped" everyone but 4, we started with about 8, and 4 either got dropped or took a different/shorter route.
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