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Letter of the Law vs. Spirit of the Law

Old 08-17-09, 07:33 AM
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Letter of the Law vs. Spirit of the Law

Our local USCF official is enforcing the "must show license AND race bib number in order to receive prize money".
I can't find it in the online rule book. If you can find it, post it.

Personally, I'm on a mission to change this to include "personal recognition".

Short story: They let me register without showing my license, but they won't pay out 10th place ($10) because I don't have my license. That's some selective enforcement of rules.
If I were out of town where nobody knew me, I'd have no problem being carded. But they've known me for 20 years, and they're hard-line on the rule stated above.

They did this to almost every rider who attempted to collect their prize money on Saturday.

How do they handle this in your area?

And who on Earth is going to impersonate the 10th place rider in a Masters race in order to steal $10?
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Old 08-17-09, 07:37 AM
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Around here I've always had to show my license at the registration table. Haven't forgotten it yet, so I'm not sure if they would go by personal recognition. For receiving payout, I've only had to show my bib number.

What's funny is one time I was racing out of town where NOBODY knew me. I didn't have to show my license at registration, and didn't have to show license or bib number for payout.
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here, the race promoter hands out the envelopes/prizes. at our race, that's been me the past few years. i've just asked for the bib #, not the license. then the prize recipient initials the results sheet next to their #, and it's done. I have sent people back to their cars for the bib #, but have never asked for licenses. officials have no interaction in this.
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Old 08-17-09, 07:39 AM
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Unfortunately, I don't know anything about the receiving end of a pay-out. However, I will paypal you your $10 if you submit a 400 word race report on your 10th place finish.
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Old 08-17-09, 07:56 AM
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I've just been asked to show my number. No one has ever asked me to show my license.
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I think that you need to yell at them.

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I always have to show my license at registration. I've only been paid out once and didn't have to show anything.
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Old 08-17-09, 08:31 AM
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Around here: License to register, bib# for $$.
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Old 08-17-09, 08:44 AM
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I blogged it for more detail.

Seems to me that if they let you race without the license...
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I'm an official and I organize one race per year. First, you should know that the way that the race organizer hands out the money is up to him/her only. USAC and the official have no express control over it but may choose to try to mediate in an effort to be sure that everyone goes away happy. I'd suggest you get the flier for the race to see if there was anything about it in there. Failing that, your next best option is to threaten to throw a PR stink bomb at the organizer with your local community. Just be sure you're right before you do that. If you're not, he could sue you.
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Originally Posted by EventServices View Post
I blogged it for more detail.

Seems to me that if they let you race without the license...
to add to my post above, our registration always asks for a license at # pickup, always. even for the local celebrity racers that everyone knows. if someone doesnt have theirs, we accomodate them by taking the time to look it up on usac just to confirm. in this day and age of technology it can be done, but it's a real pain in the ass. honestly, it's beyond me why any racer would show up at a race without their license. it's like forgetting your shoes, except worse.
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Failing that, your next best option is to threaten to throw a PR stink bomb at the organizer with your local community.
Somehow, I doubt that ES would do that.
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Originally Posted by MDcatV View Post
it's like forgetting your shoes, except worse.
I don't know about that.


I left my license in the car once. I went up to the front of registration, realized it, mentioned it, and turned around to go pick it up.

They stopped me and looked it up, right quick. NBD.
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During Superweek they let riders look up their license on USAC using iPhones or mobile devices. Took me 20 minutes to get away from registration one day... "dude...I left my license in my dorm room...can I borrow your phone?"
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Always have to have the license at registration but I don't recall ever needing it for prize money.
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we accomodate them by taking the time to look it up on usac just to confirm. in this day and age of technology it can be done, but it's a real pain in the ass.
It's not that much. She punched my license number into the computer. Voila.

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honestly, it's beyond me why any racer would show up at a race without their license.
Easy. Happens all the time. Not to me, usually.

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it's like forgetting your shoes, except worse.
I will never live that down.
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It's not that much. She punched my license number into the computer. Voila.



Easy. Happens all the time. Not to me, usually.



I will never live that down.
my perspective is skewed because our race staging area is a field, no power, computer = mobile device and internet coverage is spotty/slow (kind of a dead zone), so it is a pain for us when there are 30 people in line and we've got to hold up the line to verify citizenship.

how do I know that next time I race I will have forgotten my license ...
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And your shoes.
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Originally Posted by ri_us View Post
I'm an official and I organize one race per year. First, you should know that the way that the race organizer hands out the money is up to him/her only. USAC and the official have no express control over it but may choose to try to mediate in an effort to be sure that everyone goes away happy. I'd suggest you get the flier for the race to see if there was anything about it in there. Failing that, your next best option is to threaten to throw a PR stink bomb at the organizer with your local community. Just be sure you're right before you do that. If you're not, he could sue you.
Another option is to just show your license and be happy you won some $$
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Another option is to just show your license and be happy you won some $$
Why do you hate haters?

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It varies here in TX. They're all pretty good about checking license before you get a number.

For prizes, I've been asked for a race #, but usually by then I've changed and the number is in the car, so I show them my license and that's good enough. Many times though, the promoter just calls a name and hands the envelope, so I guess it could be gamed. I've had teammates bring me prizes if I wasn't around for the handouts, some of them substantial cash $.
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I am an ACA and USAC official and a co-promoter of a stage race. I require a license (actual or copy) and a release with an original signature to register. Prizes are handed out by name. As ri us said above, no rules about requiring ID for prize handout.
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I forgot my shoes once. Luckily I had my cyclocross bike and MTB shoes with me.
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Originally Posted by wanders View Post
Unfortunately, I don't know anything about the receiving end of a pay-out. However, I will paypal you your $10 if you submit a 400 word race report on your 10th place finish.
I'll match that.
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Originally Posted by ri_us View Post
I'm an official and I organize one race per year. First, you should know that the way that the race organizer hands out the money is up to him/her only. USAC and the official have no express control over it but may choose to try to mediate in an effort to be sure that everyone goes away happy. I'd suggest you get the flier for the race to see if there was anything about it in there. Failing that, your next best option is to threaten to throw a PR stink bomb at the organizer with your local community. Just be sure you're right before you do that. If you're not, he could sue you.
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