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View Poll Results: How long did it take for you to upgrade from Cat4 to Cat3?
1 year or less
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1-2 years
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How long did it take you to upgrade from Cat4 to Cat3?

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Old 04-24-18, 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Radish_legs View Post
why do you regret not winning as a 4?
I don't have many wins, so take this with the amount of scrutiny it deserves.

It takes a mindset to win and it is huge for mindset. 2nd place is first loser. I didn't have a killer instinct when I stepped up to Cat 3 / Collegiate A. This made adapting to the new field hard. Maybe if I had that extra mental strength i would have been less tentative in my first year and not got shelled out so much.

Also, winning is fun. It doesn't happen much in this sport.
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Old 04-24-18, 09:26 PM
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I'm not sure. Results have not been sent in, and a certain number of points were when I was a cat 5. But I think after all that, I'm in the low 30s.
30 points is a mandatory upgrade, you dirty stinkin' sandbagger...

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Old 04-24-18, 09:32 PM
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A local cat 4 had over 200 points last year and was not forced to upgrade. He did upgrade to 3 this year.

Relative to him, I'm a very amateur sandbagger.
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Old 04-24-18, 10:44 PM
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Sandbagging is pretty annoying. Hypothetically, you have 3 guys with mandatory upgrade points getting on the podium, that means there are 3 deserving racers that go home disappointed. That's not an uncommon scenario either, I'd wager about half the wins here in the 4's are from racers that have the points to upgrade. Since SCNCA is 90% crits now, its hard to beat guys that have the skills and build to dominate that race type.

Again, zero problems with dudes that have points but no wins. Winning is the ultimate goal of this sport, the category system is just there to give everyone a better opportunity to get there....
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Old 04-24-18, 10:56 PM
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There are plenty of guys with A LOT more points than me in Cat 4 that haven't upgraded. There are guys with more points than me, just generated this year. I had 3 podiums last week, but before that I had just one for the entire season.

But I think I'm going to upgrade. Like maybe this week. My teammates suggested I do a road race as a 4 first, but that would mean waiting until August. And then I'd miss out on all the crit training with the As.
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Old 04-25-18, 06:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Radish_legs View Post
I'm not sure. Results have not been sent in, and a certain number of points were when I was a cat 5. But I think after all that, I'm in the low 30s.
Points earned when you are a cat 5 do not count toward your 4 to 3 upgrade. Only points earned as a 4 count.


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SCNCA is largely eliminating 4/5 masters races for 3/4 (often times 30+ which htf is that a masters age?) so our path is just as hard as a 30 year old moving up. I think they're doing this so the 3's are the end path (i.e. where crappy riders end up) and a bunch of riders screamed and yelled because guys getting podiums in 40+ 4/5 were getting slaughtered in 40+ 123 and 3's.
30+ isn't really masters, but many promoters include it for two reasons: 1. they have a bunch of guys aged 30-34 on their team who want to do multiple races or 2. they think they can get more entries by lowering the entry age.

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Old 04-25-18, 06:26 AM
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Points earned when you are a cat 5 do not count toward your 4 to 3 upgrade. Only points earned as a 4 count.
I know. That's why I'm not sure how many points I have, since the total on the website includes when I was a 5, and I haven't bothered to do the math. But I definitely have more than 20 as a 4.
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Old 04-25-18, 07:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Radish_legs View Post
There are plenty of guys with A LOT more points than me in Cat 4 that haven't upgraded. There are guys with more points than me, just generated this year. I had 3 podiums last week, but before that I had just one for the entire season.

But I think I'm going to upgrade. Like maybe this week. My teammates suggested I do a road race as a 4 first, but that would mean waiting until August. And then I'd miss out on all the crit training with the As.
Head down to Houston for Cold Spring in a couple weeks. You could hit the RR Saturday and the Houston Grand Crit Sunday
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Head down to Houston for Cold Spring in a couple weeks. You could hit the RR Saturday and the Houston Grand Crit Sunday
At this point it looks like 0% chance of Coldspring happening this year. Race still shows as 'tentative' on TXBRA, meaning it was never permitted; and I haven't seen a flyer or registration link for 2018. Nobody affiliated with the race has said anything about it happening on TXBRA or Facebook that I've seen. Given that the race is supposedly less than 2 weeks away, it seems highly unlikely that it will miraculously come together at the last minute.

Apparently there were some issues/complaints from locals during last year's race. (Not the first RR race we've lost for that reason, and sadly probably not the last).
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At this point it looks like 0% chance of Coldspring happening this year. Race still shows as 'tentative' on TXBRA, meaning it was never permitted; and I haven't seen a flyer or registration link for 2018. Nobody affiliated with the race has said anything about it happening on TXBRA or Facebook that I've seen. Given that the race is supposedly less than 2 weeks away, it seems highly unlikely that it will miraculously come together at the last minute.

Apparently there were some issues/complaints from locals during last year's race. (Not the first RR race we've lost for that reason, and sadly probably not the last).
Thats too bad. There is already a huge lack of road races down here as it is. There are very few scheduled between now and late august. Will likely hurt Houston Grand crit as well, as I'm sure they will be several like me who would have made the trip down for two races but likely won't just for a single crit.
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Old 04-25-18, 01:49 PM
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Since SCNCA is 90% crits now, its hard to beat guys that have the skills and build to dominate that race type. .
I don't know, I'd say that if you have the fitness to be competitive in the other race types (e.g. road races & circuit races) then you have the fitness to beat crit sprinter guys at least up to cat 2/3. Winning road races is pretty hard!
Seems like there are always a few guys showing up with huge engines that ride tons of miles but don't have a ton of other races under their belts (and hence not a ton of points either). You're right for cat 1 though, I think. The good sprinters/finishers seem to still have really big aerobic engines to get into the winning moves AND jump hard at the end.
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Old 04-25-18, 03:10 PM
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Thats too bad. There is already a huge lack of road races down here as it is. There are very few scheduled between now and late august. Will likely hurt Houston Grand crit as well, as I'm sure they will be several like me who would have made the trip down for two races but likely won't just for a single crit.
Yeah it's a shame, we seem to be losing road races every year. At least there were one or two new ones this year (I didn't make it to Jacobs Wells, though).

Depending on your age, you can probably race two crits on Sunday though if that makes it worth the trip.
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I don't know, I'd say that if you have the fitness to be competitive in the other race types (e.g. road races & circuit races) then you have the fitness to beat crit sprinter guys at least up to cat 2/3. Winning road races is pretty hard!
Seems like there are always a few guys showing up with huge engines that ride tons of miles but don't have a ton of other races under their belts (and hence not a ton of points either). You're right for cat 1 though, I think. The good sprinters/finishers seem to still have really big aerobic engines to get into the winning moves AND jump hard at the end.
I hope you're right! But yeah, at San Luis Rey during the pre race chat it was quite evident about half those guys were Swamis, Como, Raincross, or some other group ride regulars for years and that was one of their few races (or the only one) for the year.
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Old 04-30-18, 06:56 PM
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I forget exactly how long it was. ( The answer is archived somewhere here on BF) but it was 20 plus years. Raced as a 4 (when there was no 5) quit, renewed my license as a 5, raced off on and, upgraded to 4, raced off and on, then upgraded to 3 in mid 50's.
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Old 05-01-18, 09:13 AM
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Speaking of Upgrades.

I'm a 35 y/o Cat 5. 2-3 races a year, trying to do more, but can't travel very far from ATL, you know life stuff.

At 9 races now, will do a bunch more this year, trying to gain experience. Is the upgrade to 4 mandatory or can I stay fat and happy as a 5 for 2018? I'm either off the back, or hanging on for 10th, and it depends on if its a 4/5 field or a straight 5 field. I can't race masters until I'm a 4, but those dudes are faster than I'm capable of right now.

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I don't think its mandatory but there's zero reason to stay in the 5's. The 4's may even be slower in a lot of cases. At least around here there are a lot of super athletes stuck in the 5's for 10 races where they can get out quicker in the 4s.
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Old 05-01-18, 09:38 AM
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Thanks.
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Old 05-01-18, 10:51 AM
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I agree with FF. No reason to stay a 5.
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