View Poll Results: How long did it take for you to upgrade from Cat4 to Cat3?
1 year or less
44
75.86%
1-2 years
8
13.79%
2-3 years
2
3.45%
3 years and up
4
6.90%
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How long did it take you to upgrade from Cat4 to Cat3?
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About 4 months to get my points, but I stayed a 4 for the entire season, ~7 months or so.
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4s used to be the 5s - the category all new racers get automatically.
It took 3 years to upgrade from 4s to 3s for me. I won 3 races out of 4 (2 in the fall, 2 in the spring) and an official upgraded me at the finish line of the third win (they could do that back then).
But man, I spent 2.5 years groveling, mainly because I was a Junior. Only when I started racing Senior races (as a Junior) I started doing well. It helps when a young Frank McCormack and an even younger Mark go and kill you every weekend. Suddenly racing against "regular" Senior racers seemed easy.
Then I spent 23 years in the 3s. hahahahaha. It's not as easy to upgrade from 3 to 2. You can't hide like I do - you have to be fit.
For the record I finished the Binghamton crit just once, and I couldn't move up enough to place in the top half of the Cat 3 (or 3-4?) crit. Around here that kind of an effort would have netted me a top 10 for sure. I was fit back then.
When I returned to the race, I got shelled pretty much immediately. I'm guessing, based on my numbers now, that I was at about 2.7-3 w/kg threshold, and doing 8 w/kg for the hill (20 seconds? Shorter?). Again, those numbers would net me top 10s around here, but any big hill, forget it.
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It took 3 years to upgrade from 4s to 3s for me. I won 3 races out of 4 (2 in the fall, 2 in the spring) and an official upgraded me at the finish line of the third win (they could do that back then).
But man, I spent 2.5 years groveling, mainly because I was a Junior. Only when I started racing Senior races (as a Junior) I started doing well. It helps when a young Frank McCormack and an even younger Mark go and kill you every weekend. Suddenly racing against "regular" Senior racers seemed easy.
Then I spent 23 years in the 3s. hahahahaha. It's not as easy to upgrade from 3 to 2. You can't hide like I do - you have to be fit.
For the record I finished the Binghamton crit just once, and I couldn't move up enough to place in the top half of the Cat 3 (or 3-4?) crit. Around here that kind of an effort would have netted me a top 10 for sure. I was fit back then.
When I returned to the race, I got shelled pretty much immediately. I'm guessing, based on my numbers now, that I was at about 2.7-3 w/kg threshold, and doing 8 w/kg for the hill (20 seconds? Shorter?). Again, those numbers would net me top 10s around here, but any big hill, forget it.
cdr
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I'll let you know.....
.....in a few years....
.....in a few years....
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Took me two full seasons. I never raced as a cat 5 so I spent a lot of time figuring out how to race. I got to the point where I knew what I was doing and started getting regular top ten's. I wanted a win though so I pushed it a bit further and won a road race and a crit to take an omnium win and upgraded. Incidentally I won the first cat 3 race I did then I got hit by a car
It's different for every one though. It's interesting to see that most people do it in one year though. I still think it's important to get a win or at least several podium finishes before moving up. That way once you up grade you will still be highly competitive as a cat 3.
It's different for every one though. It's interesting to see that most people do it in one year though. I still think it's important to get a win or at least several podium finishes before moving up. That way once you up grade you will still be highly competitive as a cat 3.
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Started racing in March, was a 3 by April. Took the rest of the year off to mtb race, came back the next March and was a 2 by June, got my cat 1 a year later.
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that is true. in fact, because of the same phenomenon that I speak of, your P123 race would be the smallest field size. It is common to see a P123 race with less than ten riders in the same event as a 4 race with over 50.
in the capital district RR this year I was definitely climbing at 4.2w/kg and I just watched them ride away from me. cat 4 race.
at the GVCC race at Bloomfield this year the winners were putting in times that I could not come close to matching on the hills. I was over 4 w/kg as well.
I could go on all day with this. We have very very few crits and almost nothing flat enough to have a true pack finish. If you want that kind of racing, you have to travel to NYC or places south.
in the capital district RR this year I was definitely climbing at 4.2w/kg and I just watched them ride away from me. cat 4 race.
at the GVCC race at Bloomfield this year the winners were putting in times that I could not come close to matching on the hills. I was over 4 w/kg as well.
I could go on all day with this. We have very very few crits and almost nothing flat enough to have a true pack finish. If you want that kind of racing, you have to travel to NYC or places south.
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I think some of them do. My own one-hour power was 4.0 w/kg at the time. I am well aware of the relationship between one hour power and ten-minute or twenty-minute power. I am also well aware that most people (myself included) are able to climb at higher than threshold for shorter durations. This is my reasoning behind the stated estimates. I stand by what I said. I have also been witness to time trials involving the same people.
#34
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I don't believe in your narrow 'time limits' on these things.
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I'm trying to set a goal for the coming season.
I'm still a cat5 but by the end of January I will have completed the minimum number of mass starts required to upgrade. I've only done 3 crit races so far but my last race I placed somewhere in the top 15 out of 45, I still don't have enough sprinting power to place.
My goal I want to set is to upgrade from Cat4 to Cat3 by the end of the 2010 season. I'm wondering if this seems too far fetched or not for most riders.
I'm still a cat5 but by the end of January I will have completed the minimum number of mass starts required to upgrade. I've only done 3 crit races so far but my last race I placed somewhere in the top 15 out of 45, I still don't have enough sprinting power to place.
My goal I want to set is to upgrade from Cat4 to Cat3 by the end of the 2010 season. I'm wondering if this seems too far fetched or not for most riders.
However, if you're not getting top tens in Cat 5, you've got a way to go.
It will be difficult to upgrade on just experience in one season. So you'll need 10 top 10 Cat 4 finishes, or enough points (which will require more than just top ten to get in the points.)
Thus you're going to need to see an improvement in either your fitness, your tactics or your luck, to start placing Top 10 in the 4's, which will likely be a bit more difficult than top ten in the 5's, but not an order of magnitude difference.
So with a bit of a breakthrough its definitely doable, but you're going to need to see some imporvement.
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I tried to drag it out as long as possible, but eventually my teammates started calling me out for sandbaggery.
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that is true. in fact, because of the same phenomenon that I speak of, your P123 race would be the smallest field size. It is common to see a P123 race with less than ten riders in the same event as a 4 race with over 50.
in the capital district RR this year I was definitely climbing at 4.2w/kg and I just watched them ride away from me. cat 4 race.
at the GVCC race at Bloomfield this year the winners were putting in times that I could not come close to matching on the hills. I was over 4 w/kg as well.
I could go on all day with this. We have very very few crits and almost nothing flat enough to have a true pack finish. If you want that kind of racing, you have to travel to NYC or places south.
in the capital district RR this year I was definitely climbing at 4.2w/kg and I just watched them ride away from me. cat 4 race.
at the GVCC race at Bloomfield this year the winners were putting in times that I could not come close to matching on the hills. I was over 4 w/kg as well.
I could go on all day with this. We have very very few crits and almost nothing flat enough to have a true pack finish. If you want that kind of racing, you have to travel to NYC or places south.
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This poll is telling me three things:
1) If you don't upgrade within 2 years, it's going to take you a long time.
2) Most () people upgrade within that 2 years.
3) I have crappy athletic genes.
1) If you don't upgrade within 2 years, it's going to take you a long time.
2) Most () people upgrade within that 2 years.
3) I have crappy athletic genes.
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Local guy went from 5->2 last season.. but it wasn't me.
I'm not even a 4 yet, so I'll have to get back to this thread later (hopefully). I hope to make it to the 3's in at most two years, we'll see.
Hocam, what was your 1-hour AP back then, out of curiosity?
I'm not even a 4 yet, so I'll have to get back to this thread later (hopefully). I hope to make it to the 3's in at most two years, we'll see.
Hocam, what was your 1-hour AP back then, out of curiosity?
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I'm not that far off from the points now. If my power numbers go up by a similar amount to what they did last season, then I should be able to get there.
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It took me 2 season basically. When I took an emphasis off FTP, and put time into 3-8 minute power is when I did a lot better. I think someone with a slightly lower FTP and significantly more power in the short duration will win more in the North East/Mid Atlantic road races. I think you need the FTP, endurance, tempo (really mostly a mix of endurance and vo2 max if you think about how these races play out... except for maybe Hilltowns)to sit in until the end, and the medium duration, high end power to win it. So this year I will try to focus on this stuff. Any thoughts?
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I'll have to check when I get home but I'm guessing around 240-250, NP 280, 71 kg.
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I race in So Cal and I have seen guys kill it in crits with no sprint. They just get out there and beat the hell out of the field for 45min, and by the time the last laps come around, nobody has anything left in the tank and they solo in for the win!
IMHO, there is nothing cooler than winning a crit like that ^^!!!
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It took me 2 season basically. When I took an emphasis off FTP, and put time into 3-8 minute power is when I did a lot better. I think someone with a slightly lower FTP and significantly more power in the short duration will win more in the North East/Mid Atlantic road races. I think you need the FTP, endurance, tempo (really mostly a mix of endurance and vo2 max if you think about how these races play out... except for maybe Hilltowns)to sit in until the end, and the medium duration, high end power to win it. So this year I will try to focus on this stuff. Any thoughts?
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It took me 2 season basically. When I took an emphasis off FTP, and put time into 3-8 minute power is when I did a lot better. I think someone with a slightly lower FTP and significantly more power in the short duration will win more in the North East/Mid Atlantic road races. I think you need the FTP, endurance, tempo (really mostly a mix of endurance and vo2 max if you think about how these races play out... except for maybe Hilltowns)to sit in until the end, and the medium duration, high end power to win it. So this year I will try to focus on this stuff. Any thoughts?
everyone responds differently to training stimuli, but I dont think i'd do very well by pounding out a bunch of vo2max intervals over the next 6 weeks, unless my goal was to be a christmas group ride hero and otb when racing starts in march/april.