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Old 12-15-09, 08:05 PM
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I'm of the complete opposite opinion of almost all. I say buy the wheels then train and race on them. If you're worried about the money then don't buy them at all. Why leave them sitting around to only bring them out a few times per month? That's a waste of money. Ride them and get to know how they accelerate, break, corner, climb, etc... That way on race day your bike will handle exactly as you expect it to.

Anyway in my anecdotal experience you are much, much more likely to have a wheel crushing crash in a race than while training.
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Old 12-15-09, 08:13 PM
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One good reason I keep my race wheels for racing only is so that the tires are fresher. Why ride around on the shoulder of the roads picking up all kinds of debris, putting lots of wear on etc? I'd rather keep my race tires nice so I don't have to worry about them come race day. Also you can run faster/lighter/more expensive tires on your race wheels that you wouldn't want to eat up on your training rides.
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Originally Posted by Frunkin View Post
Why is cat 3 the level that it's ok to have race wheels? Just wondering why you're an idiot to have them as a 4/5, but when you hit the ultimate cat it's A Ok.
probably because anyone can race Cat 5. Anyone can race Cat 4 once they have done 10 mass start races. To become a three you actually need some results.
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Old 12-15-09, 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Frunkin View Post
Why is cat 3 the level that it's ok to have race wheels? Just wondering why you're an idiot to have them as a 4/5, but when you hit the ultimate cat it's A Ok.
It is just kind of an arbitrary limit. For cat 5 I would def. say it is a little risky to ride expensive wheels. Cat 4 is safer but training will get you farther than wheels. Cat 3 starts to get a little more serious.

Regardless, as RTC said if you have the money, buy them. I just think it is a little pointless to race them in lower level crits.
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Old 12-15-09, 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by umd View Post
One good reason I keep my race wheels for racing only is so that the tires are fresher. Why ride around on the shoulder of the roads picking up all kinds of debris, putting lots of wear on etc? I'd rather keep my race tires nice so I don't have to worry about them come race day. Also you can run faster/lighter/more expensive tires on your race wheels that you wouldn't want to eat up on your training rides.

That is the main benefit of race wheels. Get something a little impractical for daily use. Get tubulars, lower spoke count, lightweight tires/tubes. These are things that will make race wheels better than training wheels and since they are not used all the time the inconvenience is less of a factor. Same thing with carbon braking surfaces. Why put loads of training miles on them just to wear them out faster.
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Old 12-15-09, 08:31 PM
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I have tubular zipps. I train on them with some condi gatorskins. why not? If I get into racing then Ill tape lighter tires when the time comes. Honestly, yes I see the point of saving the zipps for a race, but why not enjoy what you bought?
Maybe if the weather is really crappy as in it may rain for a few days in a row, I would change them to my "stock" wheels. But I ride my zipps with pride all the time. I worked for them, why not use them. (note that I am using a non race tire).
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Old 12-15-09, 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by umd View Post
This part I don't understand about your post. I read through the whole thread and I didn't see it explained although I think someone else asked about it too. Why would you have to buy training wheels? Are you not currently riding at all? Presumably you already have a bike, with wheels, so just train on those. When you start racing, you can decide if you want to get racing wheels too.
My current wheels (Mavic Aksiums) are getting very close to be needing replacement. I have a set of fixed/SS Velocity Deep-V's and I could de-lace and put on some Ultegra hubs and have a training wheelset right there.

I AM currently either going to get a new bike or radically overhaul the bike I have (System-Six) so that's why wheels are a concern right now; either way I have to get new ones. I totally forgot about pit-wheels so it looks like I need to do what CDR does; have two wheelsets, one tubular and one clincher. I've sent a price inquiry to psimet for both those wheels. The racers would be 50mm deep carbons and the trainers I asked about would be alloy but also tubular, so I may need to get clincher rims instead.
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Old 12-15-09, 09:26 PM
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are you willing to learn to glue tubulars? I personally wouldnt trust a LBS to glue mine. that is something i want complete confidence in when riding at my limit and would only trust myself for.

also look into ultegra/open pro wheels as a training/pit wheel setup. You can get a front and rear for $215. I have had these exact wheels for about 2 years now and they have been amazing. No problems at all. I used them for a year and a half as my primary wheels and now they are my extra set. Not sure if psimet can compete with the mass produced wheels like these but he is definately the guy to go to for something custom.
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Old 12-15-09, 09:32 PM
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What Jynx said. Mine have been bombproof. They're my CX race wheels for the fall/winter.
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Old 12-15-09, 09:37 PM
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I've been training ocassionally on my Aksiums (hey, they were free) cause they have more robust/all-condition tires. They are ok wheels, nothing special. Heavy and flexy but they work fine for training. What is it about yours that are "very close to be needing replacement"?
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Old 12-15-09, 11:27 PM
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Originally Posted by agoodale View Post
I'm of the complete opposite opinion of almost all. I say buy the wheels then train and race on them. If you're worried about the money then don't buy them at all. Why leave them sitting around to only bring them out a few times per month? That's a waste of money. Ride them and get to know how they accelerate, break, corner, climb, etc... That way on race day your bike will handle exactly as you expect it to.

Anyway in my anecdotal experience you are much, much more likely to have a wheel crushing crash in a race than while training.
this is exactly how i feel. ride your wheels. race your wheels. in the off chance something happens you may have to buck up a few hundred to replace one... oh well thats part of the game.
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Old 12-15-09, 11:28 PM
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Originally Posted by eskimo85 View Post
this is exactly how i feel. ride your wheels. race your wheels. in the off chance something happens you may have to buck up a few hundred to replace one... oh well thats part of the game.
Have you priced Zipps lately?
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Old 12-15-09, 11:30 PM
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Have you priced Zipps lately?
replace it with a used one.
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Old 12-16-09, 12:31 AM
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I train on Zipp 303's with a powertap. it's a 32hole rear 303 so it's actually really heavy with the powertap. I race with a set of 404 tubbies so the bike loses about a pound with the race wheels. I would just soon train on any wheel but i got a smoking deal on the 303s with the PT for 1k. they were pretty much new with about 200miles on them.

i love the wheels but i kinda feel like a poser training on 303's, still scares me a little too with the fact that they are so f'in expensive.
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Originally Posted by eskimo85 View Post
oh well thats part of the game.
"All in the game yo, all in the game." - Omar
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Originally Posted by umd View Post
This part I don't understand about your post. I read through the whole thread and I didn't see it explained although I think someone else asked about it too. Why would you have to buy training wheels? Are you not currently riding at all? Presumably you already have a bike, with wheels, so just train on those. When you start racing, you can decide if you want to get racing wheels too.
clearly if you cannot afford ksyriums to train on, while racing the zipps, do not go to europe.
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Old 12-16-09, 03:18 AM
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Have you priced Zipps lately?
Zipp has a 300 dollar crash replacement policy.
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Originally Posted by Briareos View Post
Do any of you wear your Zipps (or other carbon wheels) for your regular rides? I may buy some Zipp 202's but would like to avoid having to buy training wheels. I hear/read everywhere that accidents happen the most when training since you train more than you race; should I follow this edict and just buy a cheapo set of training wheels?

To be perfectly honest with you, I want to look good when I train as well as when I race!

I'll admit it, I'm vain.
Go for it if you have the bucks. Here in ostentatious Miami, I would say that around half the guys that go on the daily training race/group ride with mega expensive wheels, and they are not just showing off bling, they are also very striong riders.
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clearly if you cannot afford ksyriums to train on, while racing the zipps, do not go to europe.
I better call the consulate and cancel my visa. Ksyriums are my race wheels....
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Originally Posted by caloso View Post
I better call the consulate and cancel my visa. Ksyriums are my race wheels....
I have a teammate who abandoned his zipps in favor of ksyriums for crits. He was flexing the zipps in sprints to the point where they were hitting the pads. Strong guy, won several crits in the 3s includng districts this year.
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Yeah, I'm really surprised at how many folks look down their noses at Ksryiums. I have the 2006 SL (silver spokes) and they've been everything I could want in a wheel. Light, strong, great braking. Sure, there are lighter and more aero wheels out there, but for the price you can't beat them. And you can always find gently used ones on eBay for a song (probably listed by guys chasing the carbon dragon).
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Originally Posted by gsteinb View Post
Zipp has a 300 dollar crash replacement policy.
I just bought a set of $300 carbon tubulars. New in fact. I was going to put some Zipp stickers on them, but they want $50 for the set. I think I'll write "Lightweight" on the with a marker instead.
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If I had Zipps, I'd be too embarrassed to train on them. How pompous is that? Almost as bad as putting a number on your bike in my book.

I race mostly on handbuilt Ultegra/CXP33's, and do my local chaingang on them in the season. Plenty of hairy corners on that which I wouldn't trust to the Gatorskins on my training wheels. Otherwise I train on some heavier handbuilts. The braking surface of the CXP 33 is very thin, so I don't want to wear it out unnecessarily. Race tyres wear much quicker, so I don't want to wear them out for no reason. My other race wheels have tubs, patching them is a pain, I don't want to do that more often than I have to. So mostly I don't train on racing wheels.
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the only reason i would see not using training wheels is because you cant afford them. . . i use really light wheels for race and training. because im short on funds.
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Originally Posted by caloso View Post
I better call the consulate and cancel my visa. Ksyriums are my race wheels....
You are doing better than me, Ksyrium Elite's are my race wheels.
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