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Briareos 12-15-09 04:18 PM

Riding Race Wheels As Your Main Wheels
 
Do any of you wear your Zipps (or other carbon wheels) for your regular rides? I may buy some Zipp 202's but would like to avoid having to buy training wheels. I hear/read everywhere that accidents happen the most when training since you train more than you race; should I follow this edict and just buy a cheapo set of training wheels?

To be perfectly honest with you, I want to look good when I train as well as when I race!

I'll admit it, I'm vain.

ridethecliche 12-15-09 04:25 PM


Originally Posted by Briareos (Post 10150074)
Do any of you wear your Zipps (or other carbon wheels) for your regular rides? I may buy some Zipp 202's but would like to avoid having to buy training wheels. I hear/read everywhere that accidents happen the most when training since you train more than you race; should I follow this edict and just buy a cheapo set of training wheels?

To be perfectly honest with you, I want to look good when I train as well as when I race!

I'll admit it, I'm vain.

They're called race wheels.

Other wheels are called training wheels.

First off, 202's are a waste unless they're climbing speciality wheels. 303's/404's are much more useful unless the road is super skyward pointing. 303 f/404 r is a good combo.

Enjoy breaking your expensive wheels while training...

I don't even understand why people ask these questions. They're wheels, if you want to ride them, do it. Then don't cry when your 1.5k wheels broke while training.

mike868y 12-15-09 04:36 PM

Don't you have wheels on your bike now? Use those for training wheels.

gsteinb 12-15-09 04:40 PM

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CrimsonKarter21 12-15-09 04:44 PM

I find myself facepalming a whole lot more these days.

waterrockets 12-15-09 05:26 PM

You can do what I do: race your training wheels, and just worry about how youl look crossing the finish line.

Briareos 12-15-09 05:42 PM

I guess that's a "no" for riding Zipps on group/club rides.

Thanks for your opinions and/or snarky responses. Please try to remember that some of us are still trying to learn and we don't know everything like you do. It's discouraging and if you guys treat everyone who has less know-how than you like an idiot, you're doing cycling a disservice.

I guess I have to thank you RideTheCliche for informing me that 202's are probably a waste for me (I'm going to race crits); I just thought that since 202's were so damn light it would help with acceleration. You should also understand why people ask these questions; they don't WANT their wheels to break while riding them other than racing, that's why I'm here asking. From the input here I've learned that you really shouldn't be riding "racing wheels" for normal riding, as I certainly don't want to break an expensive set of wheels.

txvintage 12-15-09 05:57 PM

202's would be a mass misappropriation of funds for Crits. I'm one of those that believes for crits the most bomb proof wheels that you can get are the best investment. Don't forget you will eventually want a set for the wheel pit. If you are just starting out in the 5's don't sweat the wheels.

If you must have some bling and want the cool factor, check botto's sig line where it says, "Ride theses wheels". Awesome bang for the buck.

caloso 12-15-09 05:58 PM

If I got a new set of carbon race wheels I'd take them out on a few training rides just to see how they handle in different wind conditions. But day in, day out? Good lord, no.

Caad 8 12-15-09 06:01 PM


Originally Posted by caloso (Post 10150623)
If I got a new set of carbon race wheels I'd take them out on a few training rides just to see how they handle in different wind conditions. But day in, day out? Good lord, no.

Yeah, shouldnt you ride the new wheels a couple times so you know how the feel etc?

Jynx 12-15-09 06:10 PM

you are getting a lot of "rude" (really they are just no BS) answers because this should really be in Road Cycling and not Road Racing. If you want carbon wheels, get them. If you want to ride them everyday, go ahead. Unfortunately if you have to ask this question you probably shouldnt be spending thousands and thousands of dollars on race only wheels. Especially if you are not familiar with zipps lineup and what wheels are designed for what. Also it is not about how light your wheels are. They will make a small if any improvement to your riding other than placebo. You stated you only care about how they look so go ahead and buy them and ignore what everyone else says.

gsteinb 12-15-09 06:11 PM


Originally Posted by Briareos (Post 10150524)
you're doing cycling a disservice.

Cycling doesn't pay me. I pay it.


Snark aside: In all likelihood if you're not sure of the questions you're asking you probably don't need the wheels you're buying.

mike868y 12-15-09 06:33 PM


Originally Posted by Briareos (Post 10150524)
I guess that's a "no" for riding Zipps on group/club rides.

Thanks for your opinions and/or snarky responses. Please try to remember that some of us are still trying to learn and we don't know everything like you do. It's discouraging and if you guys treat everyone who has less know-how than you like an idiot, you're doing cycling a disservice.

I guess I have to thank you RideTheCliche for informing me that 202's are probably a waste for me (I'm going to race crits); I just thought that since 202's were so damn light it would help with acceleration. You should also understand why people ask these questions; they don't WANT their wheels to break while riding them other than racing, that's why I'm here asking. From the input here I've learned that you really shouldn't be riding "racing wheels" for normal riding, as I certainly don't want to break an expensive set of wheels.


There have been numerous scientific and anecdotal studies which state that aerodynamics are much more beneficial for almost everything than lightweight.That is why even the pros will use 404's on all but the biggest climbing days.

Grumpy McTrumpy 12-15-09 06:34 PM

I use 404 tubulars on my rollers with last year's tires.

Racer Ex 12-15-09 07:07 PM

I have several "race" wheels that I would have no problem riding as training wheels if I could only afford one good set of wheels. My Token C50's are stupidly tough for instance, they would be my recommendation over the Zipps if you're just going to sport one set of wheels.

I don't train on them because I want clean, fresh tires for racing, along with an unworn cassette. And I'm too lazy and don't want the hassle of changing stuff out all the time.

Briareos 12-15-09 07:15 PM


Originally Posted by txvintage (Post 10150612)
202's would be a mass misappropriation of funds for Crits. I'm one of those that believes for crits the most bomb proof wheels that you can get are the best investment. Don't forget you will eventually want a set for the wheel pit. If you are just starting out in the 5's don't sweat the wheels.

If you must have some bling and want the cool factor, check botto's sig line where it says, "Ride theses wheels". Awesome bang for the buck.

I did check out Botto's signature and have already inquired on several wheels from Psimet!

The thread DOES belong here, because a lot of carbon wheel users are racers and I know racers have training wheels. Not all roadies are going to know about having a distinct set of wheels for specific purposes, many of them have one set if they're leisure riders.

Looks aren't ALL I care about, I can't very well have a vanity bike if the wheels break constantly. I merely like the look of carbon tubulars over alloy rims and needed to know If i could get away with riding the wheels I aesthetically prefer all the time, not just at races.

I did not know that studies have shown aero vs. weight was so in favor of aerodynamics these days. But I guess in a crit it makes sense since you'll do barely any climbing.

As far as asking about wheels that I don't know everything about and how I don't need to know about them if I don't use them....I want to START racing this year, so I have to learn about these things somehow. If I'm unsure of how carbon wheels perform in different situations I should probably ask before I buy a set for the racing I'm planning on doing.

johnybutts 12-15-09 07:20 PM

Briareos,
I bought EC90 Aeros on employee purchase, 1st race I used them in, I was pushed into a huge pothole and cracked a rim. fast forward 8 months, I FINALLY sent them in to be repaired.

NOT WORTH THE MONEY! even for the cool factor.

I think everyone here is going to agree, if you're just starting cat 5 this year, don't bother with bling ****. You'll just crash and mess it up. At least that's what I do.

bdcheung 12-15-09 07:23 PM

For the majority of amateur racers (and certainly for all new racers), expensive wheels will not improve your results. So why bother.

ridethecliche 12-15-09 07:32 PM

Fact remains, race wheels are just that: race wheels.

I'm a firm believer that you should have a set of race only wheels, and train mostly on your 'regular'/'training' wheels. There's no point destroying a 1.5k wheelset during a solo ride. But hell, you bought them to ride them, so ride them in group rides. Most of the time, I'll ride my 'race' wheels the day before a race to 'get used to them' again.

If you can afford 2 wheelsets, I would do what CDR has done and buy 2 of the same wheels but one in clincher and the other in tubular form. The tubulars are race only, while the clinchers are everyday wheels which serve as pit wheels. Carbon hoops have come a long way. Most of them aren't super fragile. If you're nervous, get the cylde build.

The reason people are pissy is because this has been done to death.

zzzwillzzz 12-15-09 07:44 PM

whatever you do, race or even ride just ride, you should have at least two sets of wheels.

if you can afford the zipps, having another cheap set of wheels as spares/backup shouldn't be a problem.

and in case you're not clear re-read all the responses above

mike868y 12-15-09 07:45 PM


Originally Posted by ridethecliche (Post 10151043)
Fact remains, race wheels are just that: race wheels.

I'm a firm believer that you should have a set of race only wheels, and train mostly on your 'regular'/'training' wheels. There's no point destroying a 1.5k wheelset during a solo ride. But hell, you bought them to ride them, so ride them in group rides. Most of the time, I'll ride my 'race' wheels the day before a race to 'get used to them' again.

If you can afford 2 wheelsets, I would do what CDR has done and buy 2 of the same wheels but one in clincher and the other in tubular form. The tubulars are race only, while the clinchers are everyday wheels which serve as pit wheels. Carbon hoops have come a long way. Most of them aren't super fragile. If you're nervous, get the cylde build.

The reason people are pissy is because this has been done to death.


For a CAT 3 or better that is a logical recommendation, but for someone starting in CAT 5 it is kind of risky to race nice wheels in a crit. Even if you have the money to buy them, what is the point? They won't help results at all and you risk loosing >$1.5K every race. I would say invest in some solid training wheels (OP/Ultegra, Kinlin XR300 rims w/ a good hub, or even some ksyriums) then when the guy gets up to CAT 3 get some good race wheels.

ridethecliche 12-15-09 07:50 PM


Originally Posted by mike868y (Post 10151102)
For a CAT 3 or better that is a logical recommendation, but for someone starting in CAT 5 it is kind of risky to race nice wheels in a crit. Even if you have the money to buy them, what is the point? They won't help results at all and you risk loosing >$1.5K every race. I would say invest in some solid training wheels (OP/Ultegra, Kinlin XR300 rims w/ a good hub, or even some ksyriums) then when the guy gets up to CAT 3 get some good race wheels.

Listen man. We're a materialistic society. Some people like nice stuff, and can afford it. They should be allowed to do so.

It's why our economy thrives.

There's nothing wrong with owning expensive stuff if you actually ride it.

umd 12-15-09 07:58 PM


Originally Posted by Briareos (Post 10150943)
As far as asking about wheels that I don't know everything about and how I don't need to know about them if I don't use them....I want to START racing this year, so I have to learn about these things somehow. If I'm unsure of how carbon wheels perform in different situations I should probably ask before I buy a set for the racing I'm planning on doing.

Most people learn about it through doing it. That's what the beginner categories are for.

Frunkin 12-15-09 08:00 PM

Why is cat 3 the level that it's ok to have race wheels? Just wondering why you're an idiot to have them as a 4/5, but when you hit the ultimate cat it's A Ok.

umd 12-15-09 08:03 PM


Originally Posted by Briareos (Post 10150074)
but would like to avoid having to buy training wheels.

This part I don't understand about your post. I read through the whole thread and I didn't see it explained although I think someone else asked about it too. Why would you have to buy training wheels? Are you not currently riding at all? Presumably you already have a bike, with wheels, so just train on those. When you start racing, you can decide if you want to get racing wheels too.


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