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how to sim. hills?

Old 12-18-09, 03:34 PM
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how to sim. hills?

Where I live (south jersey) it is flat as crap. I mean flat 10ft elv change in 1/4 mile is a big deal. My ears pop when I cross big bridges no joke. How would I go about simulating riding on hills?
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Old 12-18-09, 03:50 PM
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Low cadence. High resistance. Zone 3 heart rate.
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Old 12-18-09, 03:51 PM
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Find relentless head winds.
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Old 12-18-09, 03:56 PM
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drag a bike plow

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Old 12-18-09, 04:24 PM
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thanks headswinds i've got in spades. Is that bike plow real?
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Old 12-18-09, 04:28 PM
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Above are good, but also: Take a weekend or two and drive to some hills. Seriously. You're not that far from some for-real mountains, get up there and ride a few.
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Old 12-18-09, 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Creakyknees View Post
Above are good, but also: Take a weekend or two and drive to some hills. Seriously. You're not that far from some for-real mountains, get up there and ride a few.
+10^6

I have been riding a long time and I know that headwinds do not equal climbing. I can always squirm myself into a more aero position on the bike, but no amount of squirming makes me weigh less.
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Old 12-18-09, 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by mollusk View Post
... no amount of squirming makes me weigh less.
I have a clogged terlet that would beg to differ
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Old 12-18-09, 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by mollusk View Post
+10^6

I have been riding a long time and I know that headwinds do not equal climbing. I can always squirm myself into a more aero position on the bike, but no amount of squirming makes me weigh less.

Exactly. Try adding some extra poundage to the bike, OP.
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Old 12-18-09, 06:39 PM
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I've used a cinder block, my trainer, and a big gear to simulate a long, steady climb.
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Old 12-18-09, 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by caloso View Post
I've used a cinder block, my trainer, and a big gear to simulate a long, steady climb.
While a hell of a workout, it technically doesn't simulate climbing. A long time ago asgelle posted an excellent article that showed muscle recruitment patterns and they were clearly different from actual climbing. Apparently pedaling against a braking system is different from being actively pushed backwards like with headwinds* and hills.

*I agree with Mollusk that headwinds do not equal hills. I've done some damn windy TTs and they weren't anything like riding up to a ski resort parking lot.
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Old 12-18-09, 07:11 PM
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I think you're right. It's more about developing seated, low cadence, high torque. But sometimes it's all you can do.
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Old 12-18-09, 07:24 PM
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Do you race on hills? If not why train for them?
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Old 12-18-09, 07:28 PM
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Go west into PA or north in Jersey. I used to train those roads all the time. Headwinds are a rough estimate, but you need hills for hills and there are a bunch not too far from there.
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Old 12-18-09, 08:51 PM
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I didn't this year (I do tri's) but I'm starting to travel some with a buddy when we race together and those have hills and I get dumped in about 2 sec when there is a 3 percent grade or more. I don't want to be lighting just keep it respectable
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Old 12-18-09, 10:46 PM
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[QUOTE=Enthalpic;10164591]While a hell of a workout, it technically doesn't simulate climbing. A long time ago asgelle posted an excellent article that showed muscle recruitment patterns and they were clearly different from actual climbing. Apparently pedaling against a braking system is different from being actively pushed backwards like with headwinds* and hills. /QUOTE]

If someone has it handy, please post this study, or some direction on where to find it. I was under the impression there was not real difference.
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Old 12-20-09, 01:27 AM
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Old 12-20-09, 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Bnjmn View Post
If someone has it handy, please post this study, or some direction on where to find it. I was under the impression there was not real difference.
If this forum had a search function I could find it...asgelle and terrymorse might have full text.

This is the closest I could find and don't have full text.

Muscular activity during uphill cycling: effect of slope, posture, hand grip position and constrained bicycle lateral sways.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1...m&ordinalpos=2

The gist of it was that the EMG readings from the 4% incline on the cycling-treadmill were much different from the 4% incline on the ergometer -at equal wattage. Pretty weak I know, if you find more please post it here.

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This is evidence that researchers know they can't get away with putting books under your front wheel.
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