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anyone race w/out a team or club?

Old 12-28-09, 08:04 PM
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anyone race w/out a team or club?

How many people here race without a team? Is it normal for a guy or gal to show up solo and just race?

Another question... where do you find the races? I looked at USA cycling but there wasn't much listed for 2010.

One more... I would love to race, but I have no experience riding in a pack. Would I be able to show up and ride in the back until I feel comfortable?

Thanks for the help.
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Old 12-28-09, 08:12 PM
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i started last season, but i showed up to a small cat 5 picked up a one day and just stayed at the back of the pace line until i felt comfortable. By the end of the race i was pulling and won the last lap group sprint. Im probably going to join a team this season when i upgrade. there are races around, bikereg is a good site. I would say get your feet wet, and get comfortable in a group.
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Old 12-28-09, 08:14 PM
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yep. plenty of people do.
you should be able to see at least a partial, tentative schedule for your state/area.

and doing lots of group rides would be beneficial.
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Old 12-28-09, 08:17 PM
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You can race without a team, but sometimes you will have to pay unattached fees.

Different areas have different places to find the race calendars. If we don't know where you are, we can't tell you where to look. Some are on bikereg.com, some are on active.com, and others are all over the place. There are like 3 or 4 sides just for California, for example.

As for riding in the pack... please for everyones safety get some group experience first. Sorry if saying that makes me an elitist d-bag.
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Old 12-28-09, 08:28 PM
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Find your group rides from your local shops. Chances are, there will be some people in the group ride who direct you to your regional calendar.

Racing unattached isn't that bad as a 5 since team tactics always go out of the window, but having a team adds a lot to the experience. And ya, your race fee can be as much as 10 bucks more for being unattached.
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Old 12-28-09, 08:41 PM
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at the lower ranks (mine and yours) a team will help you more with training and motivation than in the race. That said, we were developing a pretty solid lead out train by year end
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Old 12-28-09, 09:13 PM
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Originally Posted by hansel View Post
i started last season, but i showed up to a small cat 5 picked up a one day and just stayed at the back of the pace line until i felt comfortable. By the end of the race i was pulling and won
Are you saying you got first place in the first race you ever did?
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Old 12-28-09, 09:22 PM
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Originally Posted by rotti View Post
How many people here race without a team? Is it normal for a guy or gal to show up solo and just race?

Another question... where do you find the races? I looked at USA cycling but there wasn't much listed for 2010.

One more... I would love to race, but I have no experience riding in a pack. Would I be able to show up and ride in the back until I feel comfortable?

Thanks for the help.
1. Yes, you can race without a team. Particularly starting out, a team might not necessarily be an advantage since nobody knows their strengths, nobody understands tactics, etc. Just show up and race.

2. www.bikereg.com usually has most races listed, at least in my area. Other than that, you'd want to check out your regional bicycle association (New England Bicycle Racing Association, for where I'm at... you'll have to find out what that means for you).

3. Show up at a race and sit in the back until you feel comfortable? Probably not a great use of the entry fee. If you're talking about group rides, just find one and show up -- I think for most people it doesn't take a few times of showing up to figure out whats going on/get into the mix. About halfway into a ride, you'd probably be looking to mix it up. As long as your mind is on being safe, you'll be ok.
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Old 12-28-09, 09:28 PM
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Originally Posted by tc83 View Post
2. www.bikereg.com usually has most races listed, at least in my area.
And yet none in my area...
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Old 12-28-09, 09:53 PM
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Originally Posted by umd View Post
You can race without a team, but sometimes you will have to pay unattached fees.

As for riding in the pack... please for everyones safety get some group experience first. Sorry if saying that makes me an elitist d-bag.
Hmm never heard of paying unattached fees. Both Michigan and Ohio doesn't as far as I know.

Agree on UMD's second point. Show up to local group rides, then local hammer fests, then race.

As for racing without a team, I raced unattached all of cat 5, joined a team after I upgraded to 4's, but then had to move away for a summer due to a job, so I ended up doing 95% of that season all one man army style, but still did fine and upgraded to 3's by the end of the year.
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Old 12-28-09, 09:54 PM
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To avoid an unattached fee, you can be a part of Team Hammer Nutrition.

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Old 12-28-09, 10:21 PM
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Originally Posted by asmallsol View Post
Hmm never heard of paying unattached fees. Both Michigan and Ohio doesn't as far as I know.
I think it used to be more common. There are only a few races that I can think of that do it.
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Old 12-29-09, 07:55 AM
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I race solo now and miss being on a team...there is nothing out here..."sigh".
In general a team in a race does not provide much...I've seen large, 6 plus riders, teams in the same race chasing each other down, etc...it can be a bad experience...I've also seen a few 3 man teams...masters division...that kick ass out of everyone and seem to have a mental link during the race. I was on a 5 man team that nearly achieved that kind of link and when it was working it was amazing...I really miss that.

If you're a good rider/racer you will do quite well without a team.
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Old 12-29-09, 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Caad 8 View Post
Are you saying you got first place in the first race you ever did?
haha yeah. showed up, got a one day and raced on a caad3 with down tubes. It was pretty funny cause everybody had zipps and carbon bikes, waited until the last lap when some guy and i ran off of the front up the last climb. than i just took him in the sprint. I think the guy i beat got pretty angry mostly due to the fact that i was 17 and it was my first race.
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Originally Posted by hansel View Post
haha yeah. showed up, got a one day and raced on a caad3 with down tubes. It was pretty funny cause everybody had zipps and carbon bikes, waited until the last lap when some guy and i ran off of the front up the last climb. than i just took him in the sprint. I think the guy i beat got pretty angry mostly due to the fact that i was 17 and it was my first race.
which race was it?
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Old 12-29-09, 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Grumpy McTrumpy View Post
which race was it?
it was a crit style race hosted by the kreb cycle in bell port. It was a mile loop around a community college in Riverhead with one main climb its part of the Friday night race series.

edit- We did 30miles.
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Good job!
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Originally Posted by rotti View Post
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One more... I would love to race, but I have no experience riding in a pack. Would I be able to show up and ride in the back until I feel comfortable?

Thanks for the help.
riding in the back is not safer. If a crash happens in front of you it might be the next thing you ride over. It's also far more likely that you will get dropped from the back. There is no shortcut to the process of doing group rides to get used to the pack. Let this thing take the time it needs.
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Old 12-29-09, 11:23 AM
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Quick note on using your first race to learn how to ride in a group.

It's kind of like learning how to drive stick in your first car race.

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I raced unattached last season. Aside from team tactics not really working in the 5's, this allows you to "shop around" and see which teams you might be interested in.
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I'm on a small team of 6 guys. One Cat 1, five Cat 3s. Our big stud has to race alone, which is tough in the higher cats. Last year I was a 4 trying to get my upgrade and join the others. I spent most of the season racing solo.

So even if you're on a team, you may be racing essentially unattached if you are the only one of your team in your category. But it's still worth it to join a team to have guys to ride with, hang out with, and cheer for you when you race.
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Old 12-29-09, 12:32 PM
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Wow, a lot of great info here. thanks guys. I think the local college club has group rides. I'll try to hook up with them. I'm pretty excited about giving it a shot this spring and summer. thanks again.
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i raced cross without a team and never trained and placed middle of the pack. actually didn't really know how to train. Now i'm on a team and training for road next year. having coaches that know what's what and having alot of a lot of team practices helps get me into the idea of 'training' as apposed to just riding for enjoyment.

on that last part, i basically mean pushing myself rather than letting up when it gets tough.
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