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Old 04-21-10, 05:09 PM
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No minimum spoke count in USAC rulebook?

The only thing I can find is on page 241 - which appears to only apply to a 'grand fondo' event.

http://www.usacycling.org/forms/USAC_rulebook.pdf

Am I missing something? I thought ALL bike races required 12 spokes, but then again, that would seem to eliminate trispokes/discs and the like.
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I'll take a look through the rulebook tonight. But I was under the impression that the rule only applied to UCI level races now. And not at all in time trials, only mass start.
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Old 04-21-10, 05:23 PM
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so an 8 spoke wheel like a rev-x is fine? doesn't seem right
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Maybe not, but I see them every once in a while in lower cat races. No one seems to mind. Unless I read wrong, the only other mention of wheels is in the track racing rules. I can see what it says in the older books when I get home.

Most of the level 1 races (NRC and national championships) are held under UCI rules, so maybe USACycling just didnt bother making the rulebook too detailed for everything else.
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I believe there is no minimum spoke count and you can run trispokes or even discs under USAC for mass start. I would guess it would catch on if someone would do it an win a few times...
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huh, I saw a few guys running rev-x wheels at a stage race a few weeks ago and thought "isn't there a rule against that?"... but i asked around and everyone said it was fine.

wasn't there a rule at one point, or am I making this whole thing up?
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Originally Posted by Hida Yanra View Post
huh, I saw a few guys running rev-x wheels at a stage race a few weeks ago and thought "isn't there a rule against that?"... but i asked around and everyone said it was fine.

wasn't there a rule at one point, or am I making this whole thing up?
not making it up, but I don't know who the rule applied to. I think you can ride a softride/y-foil at local races, but no one does
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There's a UCI rule about 16 spoke minimum for mass start. I think wheels have to pass a crash test thing too (UCI).

Not sure how that applies to USAC. But, as pointed out, people run different things in the "intramural" categories (3-5). Trispokes, Corima quads, Rev X, etc. In the Pro-1-2 most/all use UCI legal wheels.

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I've never read the UCI rules. I thought I had seen it in the usacycling book, but maybe i was just mis-reading the 'grand fondo' section.
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so are 14 spokes in front on my rolf vigors legal or not for racing (in CAT 4)?
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so are 14 spokes in front on my rolf vigors legal or not for racing (in CAT 4)?
literally NO ONE will care IRregardless, these seem like a terrible idea
http://www.rolfprima.com/products-carbonTdF58c.php
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Originally Posted by kudude View Post
literally NO ONE will care IRregardless, these seem like a terrible idea
http://www.rolfprima.com/products-carbonTdF58c.php
I actually have these http://www.rolfprima.com/products-Vigor.php if that's what you're saying, not the carbon ones.
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Unless it's an NRC race, Nat'l championship, or race for selection for a nat'l championship, (and some collegiate races), USAC has eliminated the restrictions on wheels and on bikes (except no recumbents). So if you want to race your Y-foil with unequal-size disc wheels front and rear in your next 'local' race, bring it on. UCI rules do apply for the races I mentioned.

And I also found out this weekend that even if the race is on the NRC, the NRC designation, and therefore the UCI restrictions, only apply to the race that the Pros are in, eg. P/1. If you're racing Cat 2/3 at the same event, the UCI rules do not apply.
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On a somewhat unrelated note regarding non-UCI legal stuff in local races. Did anyone here race in the ACCC last year? There was a rider (can't remember if he was from Pfeiffer or Lees McRea) whose bike was literally a solid frame. Like it was made out of sheet metal. Looked and sounded like he was riding, as someone else put it, an oven door.

So yeah, even if it were illegal, no one really raises any fuss about cat 4. The officials are just happy when we dont crash each other out and stay inside the yellow line.
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that's a relief, especially since i just got the wheels, would have been a capital shame if it turned out they were illegal!
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yours have 17% more spokes than those ridiculous tdf wheels
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Originally Posted by kudude View Post
literally NO ONE will care IRregardless, these seem like a terrible idea
http://www.rolfprima.com/products-carbonTdF58c.php
you know, I finally saw some of those for the first time - a few guys on the Landrover-Orbea team were running them for the downtown Tour-of-Walla-Walla crit last week... even as a Rolf user myself, those are pretty far out there.
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Originally Posted by gwchem View Post
On a somewhat unrelated note regarding non-UCI legal stuff in local races. Did anyone here race in the ACCC last year? There was a rider (can't remember if he was from Pfeiffer or Lees McRea) whose bike was literally a solid frame. Like it was made out of sheet metal. Looked and sounded like he was riding, as someone else put it, an oven door.
was it one of these?
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was it one of these?
Yeah, or it looked like it. WTF is that thing?
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Trimble Aero Road Bike from 1989 or so. Trimble was an interesting carbon pioneer, but that bike is mostly fiberglass I think.

Trimble built some GT-branded bikes for the US Olympic track team one year, I think.
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Is there a max spoke count?

I've gotta be pushing it at 64 total..
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^ You know 36 spoke wheels used to be considered standard, even for racing bikes, and 32 was considered a low spoke count uberlight wheel.
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Originally Posted by merlinextraligh View Post
^ You know 36 spoke wheels used to be considered standard, even for racing bikes, and 32 was considered a low spoke count uberlight wheel.
Yes, I know, and those days are long gone..
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I saw a local racing legend do a crit last year on a disc. Didn't catch on.
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Originally Posted by mattm View Post
Is there a max spoke count?

I've gotta be pushing it at 64 total..
so is a disc wheel a 1-spoke wheel or an infinite spoke wheel.......or both?

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