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Old 04-22-10, 12:08 AM
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Riding slow hurts

I have a friend who has nice road bike and uses it like once or twice a month. Sometimes we go for a ride together. The ride is approximately 60 km. He is a very weak rider and so we go slow. Funny but riding with him makes me feel tired and beat up every time we go. When I go for 100-150 km with my cycling friends I do not feel nearly as bad after ride.
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It is because going slow probably causes you to pedal at a lower cadence and move into the anaerobic range which will fatigue you more than when you can spend most of your ride working at peak aerobic capacity.

You are basically lugging the engine when it wants to be revved up.

Try gearing down and working at a higher cadence, even if you are going slower.
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Anaerobic range?
No.

Low cadence, is perhaps to blame because it will cause you to use more muscular force than cardiovascular ability. Hence your muscles are more worked.
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And when you ride at a lower cadence and use more muscular force we call this...

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My cadence is actually pretty bad naturally. On long rides it is about 90 RPM for the first 30-40 km when I'm worming up and then I switch to higher gears and it falls down to 80 (except hills and sprints). I remember that my time for solo century at this cadence was 5:30 including 2 stops to get food and water. The only time when I have higher cadence is when I going for shorter rides trying to get best average speed. Even in this case it is about 90.

But may be you're right and when I ride with that friend my cadence is even lower. I just did not pay attention to any measurements from those rides except of average power. That was really low at 100-120 watts.

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Old 04-22-10, 01:02 AM
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BTW. I wanted to put it in Road Cycling forum. It went to racing by mistake. My fault, sorry.
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Originally Posted by Sixty Fiver View Post
And when you ride at a lower cadence and use more muscular force we call this...

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Not anaerobic. He's not going lactic. It depends on power output. If I turn over a huge gear and produce little watts, my muscles will hurt but not my cardiovascular system. That's not called going anaerobic. It's called crappy technique and cadence...
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Originally Posted by kostyap View Post
I have a friend who has nice road bike and uses it like once or twice a month. Sometimes we go for a ride together. The ride is approximately 60 km. He is a very weak rider and so we go slow. Funny but riding with him makes me feel tired and beat up every time we go. When I go for 100-150 km with my cycling friends I do not feel nearly as bad after ride.
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Originally Posted by kostyap View Post
BTW. I wanted to put it in Road Cycling forum. It went to racing by mistake. My fault, sorry.
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Old 04-22-10, 08:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Sixty Fiver View Post
And when you ride at a lower cadence and use more muscular force
Not necessarily. When you ride slowly at a lower cadence, you are likely putting out the same force per pedalstroke, just less frequently.
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I think the reason you feel more tired, or least more tired than you would expect for the distance, is the total amount of time you're spending outside, and on the bike.

There's also some mental fatigue, particularly if you haven't completely made peace with the fact its going to be a slow ride taking a long time.

Ever play a slow round of golf on a crowded course? Even walking, a round of Golf is not that big of energy ouput, but take 5 hours to do it, and you often feel pretty tired afterwards.
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kinda like playing down to a lesser player in racquetball or tennis - it totally throws off your swing.
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Old 04-22-10, 09:38 AM
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Also, you are probably sitting up a bit more than normal. This puts more weight on your butt instead of your legs, which could cause a beat up feeling.
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Originally Posted by rumrunn6 View Post
kinda like playing down to a lesser player in racquetball or tennis - it totally throws off your swing.
Yeah I ****ing hate that.
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Originally Posted by Quel View Post
Also, you are probably sitting up a bit more than normal. This puts more weight on your butt instead of your legs, which could cause a beat up feeling.
All facepalming aside, This.

Faster = more weight on your feet, cuz you push on the pedals harder. Stand and stretch a little more often.

What's your average speed?
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The speculation about muscle physiology is pretty goofy. It's like this: when I'm too fatigued to ride quickly, or am riding slowly for other reasons, my weight is being supported less by my leg and core muscles and more by my skeleton. Well, your skeleton doesn't do very well at absorbing shock in the kind of riding position you typically have on a road bike. Which is why go-slow bikes like cruisers or old English 3-speeds have such upright riding positions. That and the fatigue due to greater amount of time on the road than you are mentally wanting to deal with are really as complicated as the answer needs to get.
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Old 04-22-10, 11:12 AM
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I've had tough times getting out of the husband seats while my wife drifts from shop to shop. The longer it goes, the worse I get. There are no intervals I've found that help with this.
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Originally Posted by rumrunn6 View Post
kinda like playing down to a lesser player in racquetball or tennis - it totally throws off your swing.
or like fighting a trained boxer versus a raging drunk
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Originally Posted by grolby View Post
.... It's like this: when I'm too fatigued to ride quickly, or am riding slowly for other reasons, my weight is being supported less by my leg and core muscles and more by my skeleton. Well, your skeleton doesn't do very well at absorbing shock in the kind of riding position you typically have on a road bike. Which is why go-slow bikes like cruisers or old English 3-speeds have such upright riding positions. That and the fatigue due to greater amount of time on the road than you are mentally wanting to deal with are really as complicated as the answer needs to get.
I think you nailed it. Thanks.
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WR can you please remove this nonsense?
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My head hurts. I have no idea why I posted earlier, or what I said even means. Lol.

This however
Originally Posted by myclem View Post
or like fighting a trained boxer versus a raging drunk
is hilarious.
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WR can you please remove this nonsense?
you do know that you can report the post, and request its removal, yes?
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Originally Posted by ridethecliche View Post
My head hurts. I have no idea why I posted earlier, or what I said even means. Lol.

This however is hilarious.
I was responding the the tennis quote--yeah, totally off the topic of riding slow.

Still, I've sparred with guys that can tag me pretty good--but with beginners (or drunks), getting clocked by an unorthodox left hook coming outta nowhere is just embarrassing.
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