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Old 04-27-10, 09:50 PM
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Racing Points?

I've been hanging around reading for a while and I've learned a lot without poking my nose in the fun here. I have a questions about a situation that is bothering me a bit so I was hoping someone could provide some insight.

I just started racing this spring. I raced a 5 race series (4 road races and one TT). A friend convinced me to race the Masters B category instead of Cat5 (I'm 37). Masters B included cats 3,4, and 5, so needless to say I got crushed, dropped, shot out the back etc. That's OK, each race I showed major improvement, getting dropped later and later with each outing. I'm also having fun and seeing some great improvements. Not to mention I've dropped 35 lbs training for and racing these events.

OK, so my question. The series was a USA Cycling sanctioned event. The first race was about 8 weeks ago. I've been checking my usacycling.org page for my 2010 racing points. You know, just for finishing some of these damn races that I could have easily quit on. Nothing.

So I called and asked one of the race organizers about when/if these mass start races will be reported to usacycling and he refers me to a contact within our local association. The local association guy tells me that the points are only reported for larger national type races and that if/when I want to upgrade (very distant future I know) I will just have to submit for it and then they will have to do the research to confirm my races.

Something doesn't seem right because they (local association) will soon have a crit training session where they advertise that upon completion you receive upgrade points. So a road race gets no points reported but a training session will? Anyone have a guess as to what the deal is?
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a) The USAC ranking points are not the same as upgrade points.
b) You don't need/get upgrade points toward cat 5, just 10 mass starts (no TTs).

Edit: Oh yeah, sanctioned clinics count toward your starts.
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Old 04-27-10, 10:21 PM
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a) The USAC ranking points are not the same as upgrade points.
Thanks UMD, this makes perfect sense. I guess I saw "ranking" but read "upgrade" in my head. Dumbass.

b) You don't need/get upgrade points toward cat 5, just 10 mass starts (no TTs).
Do you mean I don't need/get upgrade points toward cat 4? I assume it really is an honor system type deal then after all? I suppose I will know after 10 mass starts if I am ready or not to upgrade to cat 4.

Edit: Oh yeah, sanctioned clinics count toward your starts.
I'm really not in to racing just for the upgrade points but there were a couple very tough events that I finished whereas many guys quit. One in particular I was just very proud to finish. I want my point damit!
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Originally Posted by BiggSlic View Post
a) The USAC ranking points are not the same as upgrade points.
Thanks UMD, this makes perfect sense. I guess I saw "ranking" but read "upgrade" in my head. Dumbass.

b) You don't need/get upgrade points toward cat 5, just 10 mass starts (no TTs).
Do you mean I don't need/get upgrade points toward cat 4? I assume it really is an honor system type deal then after all? I suppose I will know after 10 mass starts if I am ready or not to upgrade to cat 4.

Edit: Oh yeah, sanctioned clinics count toward your starts.
I'm really not in to racing just for the upgrade points but there were a couple very tough events that I finished whereas many guys quit. One in particular I was just very proud to finish. I want my point damit!
Basically, as a Cat 5 you have to enter 10 races with a mass start. You dont have to finish or win just to start in 10 races. TT does not count.
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Old 04-27-10, 10:29 PM
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Originally Posted by BiggSlic View Post
Thanks UMD, this makes perfect sense. I guess I saw "ranking" but read "upgrade" in my head. Dumbass.
It seems to be a common mistake.

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Do you mean I don't need/get upgrade points toward cat 4? I assume it really is an honor system type deal then after all? I suppose I will know after 10 mass starts if I am ready or not to upgrade to cat 4.
The requirement is "experience in 10 mass start races". When you request your upgrade you list your races. The regional coordinator who processes your upgrade may check them, they may not. The officials have records of everyone who is in the race regardless of the results, because they use that to bill the promoter.

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I'm really not in to racing just for the upgrade points but there were a couple very tough events that I finished whereas many guys quit. One in particular I was just very proud to finish. I want my point damit!
Technically you don't need to finish to get the credit. You just need to have started.
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b) correct, you don't get points as a 5, so even if you win a 5's race, it's still just one "credit" towards your 10 for the 4's. (and no "points" carry over to when you become a 4)

Either way, it's up to you to keep track of your races/placings. Build up a "race resume" of your results to keep track, then you can use that to upgrade.

btw what are the "usac ranking points" anyway?? They seem useless.
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btw what are the "usac ranking points" anyway?? They seem useless.
Don't you want to know who the top 25-29 year old cat 4 racer in your zip code is?
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I'm glad someone asked. I've been asking around the last couple of weeks and have not gotten any kind of answer.
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Old 04-27-10, 10:54 PM
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Don't you want to know who the top 25-29 year old cat 4 racer in your zip code is?
So I'm ranked 28th for California right now. Does that mean of all Cat 5's in California?
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Old 04-27-10, 10:55 PM
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Also there is one guy I've raced with who's not on the list and placed better then me at LA Circuit and Pontius.
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Old 04-27-10, 10:56 PM
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Is three posts in a row like Pcad?
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Don't you want to know who the top 25-29 year old cat 4 racer in your zip code is?
Well, there is that... age-graded rankings, who in the hell cares?

WSBA has a BARR (best all around rider?) points system, as I'm sure most local associations do.. (Currently ranked 26th out of all Cat 4/5's in WA, wut wut!!)
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Originally Posted by chefxian View Post
So I'm ranked 28th for California right now. Does that mean of all Cat 5's in California?
It doesn't really mean much of anything
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Originally Posted by mattm View Post
Well, there is that... age-graded rankings, who in the hell cares?

WSBA has a BARR (best all around rider?) points system, as I'm sure most local associations do.. (Currently ranked 26th out of all Cat 4/5's in WA, wut wut!!)
Yeah, I would imagine most local associations have their own rankings.
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It doesn't really mean much of anything

Makes sense. Thanks though.
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Is three posts in a row like Pcad?
It's a start. When you quote & reply to your own posts, then you know you're going off the deep end.
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Hey, the USAC ranking points aren't completely worthless.

My mom was pretty impressed when I had enough points to be ranked something like 60th out of all Cat 5 racers in the U.S.
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