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Old 05-15-10, 08:34 AM
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bicycling magazine - doping in amateur ranks

https://www.bicycling.com/article/0,6...2722-1,00.html

interesting that some feel that there is quite a bit of PED use in the amateur ranks. Do you think there are folks you are racing with are getting a boost? How do you feel about it?

I am just getting into racing and can't conceive of wanting to take anything extra but wondering others are tempted.
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Tempted?? You have got to be the biggest ****ing loser to even consider doping in amateur cycling. Seriously you should get your head checked if you do.

That said, with the level of masters racers around here I wouldn't be surprised one bit.
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I always hear mentions about doping around here. A lot of times it's not even people that race! they just want to lead the hammerfests lol.
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Originally Posted by Athlete, Joe
Tempted?? You have got to be the biggest ****ing loser to even consider doping in amateur cycling. Seriously you should get your head checked if you do.

That said, with the level of masters racers around here I wouldn't be surprised one bit.
thanks for the useful contribution to the discourse.
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Drugs are rampant in all sports, even in amateur ranks. To think otherwise is to be naive. It's unfortunate, but it's the truth.
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"They compete for hundreds of dollars, not millions. National media outlets don't cover them, leaving them to celebrate their feats on blogs commented on by their moms. " - Article

That's kinda a low blow.
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Originally Posted by heckler
"They compete for hundreds of dollars, not millions. National media outlets don't cover them, leaving them to celebrate their feats on blogs commented on by their moms. " - Article

That's kinda a low blow.
I don't have a blog...and my mom passed away 18 years ago...who will recognize my great cycling feats?
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I will. And WR. Your feet are awesome. Smell bad, but awesome.
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Originally Posted by Justleaning
Drugs are rampant in all sports, even in amateur ranks. To think otherwise is to be naive. It's unfortunate, but it's the truth.
Yup ..... There are masters 45+ that choose to enhance their performance ....... cycling performance that is.
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I was actually on this guy's team when all this went down. Very unfortunate that he thought it was necessary to dope. He was insanely strong, even without PEDs.
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I can see why a 22 year old cat1 is doping. This guy maybe had dreams of being a pro.

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Originally Posted by Athlete, Joe
Tempted?? You have got to be the biggest ****ing loser to even consider doping in amateur cycling. Seriously you should get your head checked if you do.
Quite an over reaction there. Sounds like a cover to me.

Doper.
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Originally Posted by pjcampbell
I can see why a 22 year old cat1 is doping. This guy maybe had dreams of being a pro.
***** him. I'd rather not make it clean than make it dirty.
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Interesting article.

Joe Papp raced at Bethel, as did a couple of his teammates that ended up getting popped in the last few years (they were based in NY at the time).

At or around the same time, a long time official of the USCF said that if we tested every single rider in the A race (training series, Pro-1-2-3), he said he wouldn't be surprised if half the field got caught with something in their systems. He was watching the race from the sidelines when he said this, watching the As race by.

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Originally Posted by Athlete, Joe
The OP had two questions and I answered them. What's your point, apart from just demonstrating that you can be an ******* on the internet?
way to elevate the conversation.

so in your limited view of the world you're a loser to dope as an amateur, but not as a pro? Do you really believe the pros that dope got to be pros without doping and never doped prior to turning pro? Do you really believe that doing a questionable activity such as doping nullifies each and every aspect of ones existence to make them 'the biggest ****ing loser?' Given the level of masters racing where you are, and your innate ability to drug test without blood or urine when should we expect your published list of doping offenders?
Or is it that everyone faster than you obviously dopes, and is a ****ing loser because they're faster than you?

Or maybe it's all a bit more complicated than two lines can do justice?
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Here's another interesting take on the subject:

https://outside.away.com/outside/body...ug_test_1.html
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The guy mentioned in the article raced the point to point mountain race here in Boone, NC last year. He won the P/1/2. Then soon after was tested.
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I've always thought it was logical that the Master's field would have people doping at the championship levels.

it makes sense because it fits the following criteria:

1. availability of the substances from people in the medical field
2. the necessary funds are available (especially in Master's)
3. you are very unlikely to get tested

so, knowing what I know about how humans are motivated to win by things other than prize money, I think it's a no-brainer that there is doping in the amateur ranks. As far as an opinion on elite U23 doping, I'd say that some folks are trying to get a pro contract. The real question I have is "where do they get the money to pay for it?"
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Originally Posted by Apus^2
I will. And WR. Your feet are awesome. Smell bad, but awesome.
Thanks man.
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non athletes dope too. sorry to burst your bubble, but the whole anti-aging, better living through chemistry, show has very little to do with bike racing.

but back to racing... i'm sure it happens, but there's more to this than just being insanely strong. and, for me, racing is play-time so i don't lose sleep over what other people are, or are not, doing. instead i prefer to focus my energy and efforts to improving my own ability through training.
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I'm going to dope when I'm 70 years old and win a cat 1 race and everyone will be like WTF!? and I'll be all like, you young punks just got beat by an old man!
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they'll be testing for doping at the bear mountain spring classic, which is one of the bigger regional races. i believe this is for the p/1/2 only though, and because it is a qualifying race for the nature valley gp, and they are the ones fronting the money for it. it is amusing to see the scuttlebutt on the ny racing forum about who won't show now.
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Originally Posted by gsteinb
Or maybe it's all a bit more complicated than two lines can do justice?

+1
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Some of you guys make it sound like "Doping" is a huge process that requires making a gut-wrenching decision during a sleepless night, secret meetings with evil trainers, IVs, blood bags, and a trunk full of EPO...

Go down to your local GNC and they will be glad to sell you 10 or 20 banned substances. Most of the time with the salesman not even knowing what is in it, or not telling you if he does, other than how good it works.
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