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05-29-10, 02:32 PM
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We all know Jens Voigt is the only clean cyclist. All those other guys have to dope just to keep up with Jens. Imagine how many TDF's Jens would have won if everyone was riding clean.
05-29-10, 02:59 PM
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Someone went to a lot of trouble to imply a famous cyclist is using mechanical doping technologies..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Nd13ARuvVE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Nd13ARuvVE
05-29-10, 03:18 PM
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$2700 seems pretty cheap compared to a year on drugs. https://dvice.com/archives/2009/05/gruber-assist-e.php
05-29-10, 04:59 PM
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05-29-10, 05:03 PM
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Liquigas has been a solid team over the last two seasons. This isn't out of the blue, Basso has been far more transparent with his blood values than...lets say...Lance for example...
BTW who would say should be winning this if Basso is cheating his way to pink? Cadel? His team is DOA...Arroyo? Lets be honest had he not got into the golden break he'd be minutes behind right now. Vino? Again his team is DOA. Basso and Nibali are not running away with this...Basso has had a steady and constant comeback Nibali has been rising for the last few years and had a break out season last year...this shouldn't be a surprise to anyone paying attention.
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05-29-10, 05:13 PM
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What exactly were those terrible decisions and things? Floyd doped like everyone else, only he was one who got caught. Instead of just taking his 2 year ban, he fought it... and many think he had a damn good case. He still claims that he didn't take synthetic T. But fighting a doping penalty and failing, puts you on the sht-list with the UCI apparently.
Ok, that stuff with Lemond in the trial was pretty f'ed up...
Ok, that stuff with Lemond in the trial was pretty f'ed up...
05-29-10, 05:18 PM
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Of course not... they've been doping all along.
It is somewhat refreshing to see that the *level* of doping appears to be less than in the past. The times on the uphill TT were significantly slower than the best ever, which I think was set by Simoni in his "prime".
It is somewhat refreshing to see that the *level* of doping appears to be less than in the past. The times on the uphill TT were significantly slower than the best ever, which I think was set by Simoni in his "prime".
05-29-10, 05:31 PM
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What exactly were those terrible decisions and things? Floyd doped like everyone else, only he was one who got caught. Instead of just taking his 2 year ban, he fought it... and many think he had a damn good case. He still claims that he didn't take synthetic T. But fighting a doping penalty and failing, puts you on the sht-list with the UCI apparently.
Ok, that stuff with Lemond in the trial was pretty f'ed up...
Ok, that stuff with Lemond in the trial was pretty f'ed up...
05-29-10, 05:59 PM
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In that Millar has a point...had Landis fessed up from the get go he'd be back in the sport, however Millar's real message was don't out the rest of us when you do it.
05-29-10, 06:40 PM
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Someone went to a lot of trouble to imply a famous cyclist is using mechanical doping technologies..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Nd13ARuvVE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Nd13ARuvVE
And in the first alleged instance, his gear shift lever clearly seems to move. I think the motor is in his legs.
05-29-10, 06:43 PM
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EDR: do you think it's credible that Basso would do the Mortirolo faster this year than he did in 2006, when he was doping, if he's not doping now? I'm not saying it is or isn't, just asking.
05-29-10, 07:12 PM
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Time up that climb at the same power could vary by minutes. Wind, temperature, motivation, placement in within the stage, etc.
05-30-10, 09:54 AM
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05-30-10, 06:44 PM
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Yeah, I knew nothing good would come of that...but in spite of some really valuable contributions to this place, you really come across as an insufferable blowhard sometimes.
But I guess if you didn't get it, then it wasn't funny...
Sorry for annoying you. Feel free to continue your omniscience.
But I guess if you didn't get it, then it wasn't funny...
Sorry for annoying you. Feel free to continue your omniscience.
Some friendly advice: let it go.
05-30-10, 07:34 PM
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yeah I bet he simply shifted. Or activated the NOS bottle he hides in his frame.
05-30-10, 10:29 PM
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Out of interest, what are people's opinions on PEDs now in the peleton?
Are they:
a) Not there - the sport is now clean
b) A minor nussiance by a subset of riders
c) Used in the peleton, but only within the bounds of the rules (eg. EPO to get hemocrit levels to 49.5)
d) Widespread within the pro racing community, with some notable exceptions
e) Pro riders still use them just to be competitive - you are niaive if you think PEDs aren't everywhere in the tours
or
f) something else?
As an Aussie, I like to think the riders doing well are doing so clean - and my opinion is that they are doing so. My answer to the above would be somewhere between b) and c).
Cheers
Are they:
a) Not there - the sport is now clean
b) A minor nussiance by a subset of riders
c) Used in the peleton, but only within the bounds of the rules (eg. EPO to get hemocrit levels to 49.5)
d) Widespread within the pro racing community, with some notable exceptions
e) Pro riders still use them just to be competitive - you are niaive if you think PEDs aren't everywhere in the tours
or
f) something else?
As an Aussie, I like to think the riders doing well are doing so clean - and my opinion is that they are doing so. My answer to the above would be somewhere between b) and c).
Cheers
05-31-10, 07:35 AM
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Out of interest, what are people's opinions on PEDs now in the peleton?
Are they:
a) Not there - the sport is now clean
b) A minor nussiance by a subset of riders
c) Used in the peleton, but only within the bounds of the rules (eg. EPO to get hemocrit levels to 49.5)
d) Widespread within the pro racing community, with some notable exceptions
e) Pro riders still use them just to be competitive - you are niaive if you think PEDs aren't everywhere in the tours
or
f) something else?
Are they:
a) Not there - the sport is now clean
b) A minor nussiance by a subset of riders
c) Used in the peleton, but only within the bounds of the rules (eg. EPO to get hemocrit levels to 49.5)
d) Widespread within the pro racing community, with some notable exceptions
e) Pro riders still use them just to be competitive - you are niaive if you think PEDs aren't everywhere in the tours
or
f) something else?
05-31-10, 09:15 AM
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Out of interest, what are people's opinions on PEDs now in the peleton?
Are they:
a) Not there - the sport is now clean
b) A minor nussiance by a subset of riders
c) Used in the peleton, but only within the bounds of the rules (eg. EPO to get hemocrit levels to 49.5)
d) Widespread within the pro racing community, with some notable exceptions
e) Pro riders still use them just to be competitive - you are niaive if you think PEDs aren't everywhere in the tours
or
f) something else?
As an Aussie, I like to think the riders doing well are doing so clean - and my opinion is that they are doing so. My answer to the above would be somewhere between b) and c).
Cheers
Are they:
a) Not there - the sport is now clean
b) A minor nussiance by a subset of riders
c) Used in the peleton, but only within the bounds of the rules (eg. EPO to get hemocrit levels to 49.5)
d) Widespread within the pro racing community, with some notable exceptions
e) Pro riders still use them just to be competitive - you are niaive if you think PEDs aren't everywhere in the tours
or
f) something else?
As an Aussie, I like to think the riders doing well are doing so clean - and my opinion is that they are doing so. My answer to the above would be somewhere between b) and c).
Cheers
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05-31-10, 10:00 AM
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Valverde banned. 2years. There goes contadors top domestique...