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Old 06-16-10, 10:25 AM
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Talk to me about Kilo Attacks!

I'm racing the 'C' race (4-5's) at our local training crit tomorrow for what will probably be the last time. Going to move up to B (3-4's) next week to race with my team. I want to end things off with a win.

I'm no sprinter but I think my fitness is such that a last lap kilo attack is my best bet.

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Old 06-16-10, 10:36 AM
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You go all-out, 100% to get the gap. Act like the finish is only 50m away when you launch. Then you keep it at 100% to the line. Don't let up unless it's a corner. They'll be closing on you in the final 100m, so don't look back. Stay aero.

If you think you're going as hard as you can, you need to go harder. Double your effort at that point. Then go a bit harder, and try to ramp it up from there.

Make sure you go early enough. I've gotten burned in my last two races by waiting about 50m too long. You have to go when it looks like a really bad idea or others will follow immediately. You have to make them hesitate because you look stupid.
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ive been told repeatedly that i need to get good at kilo attacks.
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attack on the last kilo.
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Old 06-16-10, 11:02 AM
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If you think you're going as hard as you can, you need to go harder. Double your effort at that point. Then go a bit harder, and try to ramp it up from there.
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Old 06-16-10, 11:09 AM
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This always pops into my head when I hear that term. You want to be a little more jacked up than this guy when you go...

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You have to make them hesitate because you look stupid.
I should be a 2 by now.
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Originally Posted by waterrockets View Post
You go all-out, 100% to get the gap. Act like the finish is only 50m away when you launch. Then you keep it at 100% to the line. Don't let up unless it's a corner. They'll be closing on you in the final 100m, so don't look back. Stay aero.

If you think you're going as hard as you can, you need to go harder. Double your effort at that point. Then go a bit harder, and try to ramp it up from there.

Make sure you go early enough. I've gotten burned in my last two races by waiting about 50m too long. You have to go when it looks like a really bad idea or others will follow immediately. You have to make them hesitate because you look stupid.
I have to echo this part loudly. This is the only way that it works, they have to hesitate because it looks like a suicide move. If you don't get a gap then all you will do is give everyone a leadout. Once you get a gap, and everyone is in shock that you did something so stupid, it will settle in that they have to respond. But nobody will want to be the one to go at that point (except for someone who was only going to be leading out anyway), because the next one to jump is pretty much guaranteed to lose.

When I did mine, the other guys in front just kind of looked at each other in disbelief. At 500m I thought I was going to die but pushed throuh it.

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When I did mine, the other guys in front just kind of looked at each other in disbelief. At 500m I thought I was going to die but pushed throuh it.
umd, care to describe what made your particular kilo attack look suicidal? was it coming off of a climb? alternatively, how do i bluff it to make it look suicidal?

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umd, care to describe what made your particular kilo attack look suicidal? was it coming off of a climb? alternatively, how do i bluff it to make it look suicidal?
It's just the distance. The threshold guys have already resigned to the idea that there will be a sprint, and the sprinters are still waiting to get closer. It's way too early for a sprint, basically.
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From painful personal experience do not be about 10 wheels back in the middle of a pack on a narrow road where the yellow line rule holds until 400 m to go if you want to launch with 1 km to go. It will make you feel like a caged animal. And it will make you feel like an idiot.
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It's just the distance. The threshold guys have already resigned to the idea that there will be a sprint, and the sprinters are still waiting to get closer. It's way too early for a sprint, basically.

I've also had a successful kilo attack for the W, and this is spot on. The way it worked for me was that I waited until there was some disorganization among the lead few, then I went. It happen like 900m from the finish. The disorganization gives you a valuable second or two to gain distance on the field, after that, you give it EVERYTHING YOU HAVE. Don't look back, breathe hard, stay aero, and finish 1st. In my scenario another guy hesitated about a second and went; the field hesitated 2 seconds. I was first, the other guy was second, and the field lost. Here's a couple vids of the finish to psyche you into it: don't know if the FB one is public - http://www.facebook.com/?ref=logo#!/...5991691&ref=mf and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ypyz1oxFjVg

If you haven't done it before, I think it can be hard mentally because you're all by yourself. All eyes on you to either win or lose spectacularly, and that's the risk you have to take to make this work. No one wants to go first, but someone has to. It's better to make your own luck for this scenario.

Hopefully thsi explanation helps.
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most importantly: if you get caught, make sure a teammate is on the wheel of the guy who reeled you in, and is ready to jump.
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I also tried it another time (before the picture) but it was too far away, downhill, and I didn't get a gap. I realized right away I screwed up, but I used it as an opportunity to lead out my teammates (who got second and third). I came in last of the group, but fortunately we had dropped 80% of the field
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I'm racing the 'C' race (4-5's) at our local training crit tomorrow for what will probably be the last time. Going to move up to B (3-4's) next week to race with my team. I want to end things off with a win.

I'm no sprinter but I think my fitness is such that a last lap kilo attack is my best bet.

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You're going to need enough kick to get away from the pack with meaning, and it helps to start from 10 or so riders back, so you're going way faster than the leaders when you pass by.

Going directly off the front is an option for some, but I think the element of surprise helps a bit if you don't have WR's 1500w kick.
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You're going to need enough kick to get away from the pack with meaning, and it helps to start from 10 or so riders back, so you're going way faster than the leaders when you pass by.

Going directly off the front is an option for some, but I think the element of surprise helps a bit if you don't have WR's 1500w kick.
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I'm racing the 'C' race (4-5's) at our local training crit tomorrow for what will probably be the last time. Going to move up to B (3-4's) next week to race with my team. I want to end things off with a win.

I'm no sprinter but I think my fitness is such that a last lap kilo attack is my best bet.

Any tips?
I have a funny feeling we race the same series/level (won't be there tomorrow though)... Anyhow, I won two weeks ago with an attack from the bell, so about 1.3km out. I went from about 4th wheel and basically did a full out sprint for 20ish seconds until I got around corner 2 then just tucked and gave everything for the next minute and a half or so. It (I think) worked mainly because the pack was going pretty slowly at the time and given the hesitation to follow I was able to get a pretty big gap really quickly.

On the make it look stupid part: I did consciously drill it just before the bell started ringing. Theorized that it might have added a fraction of a second of hesitation due to "Oh look, he's sprinting a lap early, ha."

Pretty sure that was the most painful thing I've ever done on a bike though. Another 50m and I would have fallen off the bike I think.
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On the make it look stupid part: I did consciously drill it just before the bell started ringing. Theorized that it might have added a fraction of a second of hesitation due to "Oh look, he's sprinting a lap early, ha."
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Pretty sure that was the most painful thing I've ever done on a bike though. Another 50m and I would have fallen off the bike I think.
Sounds familiar...
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for most crits around here (~1 mile, 4 corner crit) it's that sweet spot between corners three and four that get all the action. A solid jump at or before corner 2 would be that "stupid/OMG-he's-a-beast!" threshold.
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If you can, time your attack so that you go about 25-50 meters before a corner. You'd be surprised how often you can catch the pack off guard attacking a corner. Go as hard as you can and then take as much of a risk as you can in the corner. The pack will have to go through the corner slower than you which will give you a gap you can exploit.
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If you can, time your attack so that you go about 25-50 meters before a corner. You'd be surprised how often you can catch the pack off guard attacking a corner. Go as hard as you can and then take as much of a risk as you can in the corner. The pack will have to go through the corner slower than you which will give you a gap you can exploit.
What can help this is to have a teammate on the front and soft pedal just before the corner making any chasers have to come around and then get through the corner. It also helps to have WR as your teammate
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I am working on my 25-mile attack.
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