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Old 06-20-10, 09:18 PM
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Anybody a vegetarian?

As of July 1 I will be starting my endeavor into vegetarianism which will last a year. Is anybody else a vegetarian? Have you run into any conflicts between being a vegetarian and training hard? Do you have any advice?
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Old 06-20-10, 09:26 PM
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Don't just eat meat substitutes and bread all day. It's still just as important to get fruits and veggies. Animal protein and fat is important for your body to consume, so eggs and egg white/whey protein should be on your list. Don't get caught up eating pasta and rice for dinner every night. Don't eat too much soy/meat substitute products, most (all) are terrible for you.


I used to eat a vegan diet, and after slowly making the switch to include meat and eggs, I'm losing fat more easily, building more muscle, and I feel "fuller" or "more complete" (it's hard to describe, but in hindsight, something was definitely missing). I guess just make sure you get enough protein and fat and you should be alright; don't turn into a carb monster.
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Use this site: http://www.buybulkwhey.com/?C=1340

Their whey is cheap, and you can buy unflavored stuff. You should use that in smoothies and the like. You need atleast 2g protein per kg of weight, so this should help make consuming that much easier.
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I've been ovo-lacto vegetarian for 20 years. I don't have a problem with hard training (for me that's 15+ hours a week with over 20k' of climbing).
The hardest part of being veg is eating out. You have to tell all your friends and family that you're veg, what veg means (i.e no meat based stock) and be able to be polite about it. Business travel can be ok, difficult or virtual impossible to maintain a veg diet.

I've only recently started using a few meat substitutes in food. I don't think there's anything wrong with them in moderate amounts and many of them are healthier than the meat they're pretending to be (if it's commercial mass produced). Some also taste better, according to my wife who does sometimes eat meat.
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Use this site: http://www.buybulkwhey.com/?C=1340

Their whey is cheap, and you can buy unflavored stuff. You should use that in smoothies and the like. You need atleast 2g protein per kg of weight, so this should help make consuming that much easier.
this number is very debated. it's .9g to 2g per kg of body weight, depending on who you ask.
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I was on/off again for a while, but went for it fully almost a year ago now and am also the strongest I've ever been. OK, the two things are basically separate, but you can make mass generalizations on the internet. It is difficult to get the protein needed; I supplement with a soy/whey mix. If I don't do that I start to feel weak and can see a measurable difference in power and recovery. It took me a while to figure that one out. I actually find the diet, if done right (eating mostly raw or home-cooked veggies) is actually more filling than a non-veg diet and doesn't leave me feeling nasty later on. It is certainly easy to stay a climber though, because the calories aren't nearly as dense! It's also amazing to learn how many vegetables are out there that aren't commonly seen in American meals.

I don't eat a lot of meat substitutes because I don't find them very tasty. Other than that, eric is definitely the authority and I agree with all of the side effects he mentioned. It can make business meals a bit awkward, because invariably folks ask why and I don't think it's an appropriate conversation at the dinner table (choice of ethics for me...)
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Thanks guys! I'm going ovo-lacto-vegetarian but I'm generally lactose intolerant which means that whey protein is off limits along with a ton of other milk based stuff . I've used soy protein in the past (GNC Soy 95) and was pretty happy with it so I'll end up going back to that and I bought two cookbooks and "Going Vegetarian For Dummies" today. Anyway, it's good to know that it can be done.
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this number is very debated. it's .9g to 2g per kg of body weight, depending on who you ask.
The way I think of it is:

If I'm an athlete that needs to keep his muscles healthy, and given the fact that muscles are undergoing trauma during workouts which is in need of repair, that being on the higher side of the estimate is not an issue. Excess protein is excreted. No harm, no foul. I'd rather go a hair over, than any under.
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I've been moving in that direction. I love Salmon though, don't think I could ever give that up. I've already cut out dairy and all meat other than chicken and fish.
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i have been on plant based diet for about 6mo. and haven't looked back. feel better than ever, lost some weight, more power than ever etc. can't think of any down side other than its hard to find any good resturants to eat out at.
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Although I'm now off the veggo bandwagon, what Eric said.
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i started out racing when i ate (for the most part) a macro-biotic diet. when i discovered that i was borderline anemic, i went back to eating dead critters. no regrets.
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Thanks guys! I'm going ovo-lacto-vegetarian but I'm generally lactose intolerant which means that whey protein is off limits along with a ton of other milk based stuff . I've used soy protein in the past (GNC Soy 95) and was pretty happy with it so I'll end up going back to that and I bought two cookbooks and "Going Vegetarian For Dummies" today. Anyway, it's good to know that it can be done.

look for pure whey isolates. very lactose-intolerant myself and no problems with the miniscule amounts of lactose in pure whey isolate (~0.1 gram lactose per tablespoon). i can't remember if ovo-lacto-vegetarian means you're cutting out all dairy/eggs or if it means that you're incorporating dairy/eggs (people seem to use it interchangeably?), so i guess you have to decide if whey fits into your plan. also: if you enjoyed milk, check out goat's milk.

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So you're saying going veg will cause you to go into hiding and live as a woman?
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I was vegan for about 6 years and have gradually begun to eat all kinds of foods (though the only meat I will eat now is local and organic-fed). I think it is very possible to be vegan and healthy, though you have to eat more and spend more money on good food. Some cultures have been eating this way for hundreds if not thousands of years. Lentils are a great cheap and adaptable source of protein, hemp seeds are even better than lentils or soy but are expensive due to strange prohibition laws in the United States. Personally, I began to get way too skinny on a vegan diet (<120lbs at 6ft tall). I returned to a much more comfortable weight, around 150lbs after I added eggs and cheese back into my diet. I've never had a problem with energy levels and even noticed that when I eat good food I don't need to wear deodorant, go figure. Asheville happens to be a great place to be veg, a restaurant will not survive in this town if it doesn't have a few good vegetarian items. Even at the crappy chain restaurants, though, a good chef or cook will usually make you something if there isn't a dish listed on the menu. I even got a plate of lightly blanched and seasoned veggies at an Applebee's one time, I was blown away! There's plenty of reasons to go veg or to at least be conscious of where your meat comes from, I feel like it has opened me to a lot of new people and of course new foods. It's definitely not as hard as people make it out to be.
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As an aside, after experimenting with my diet for about 5 years now, I've found that a "Paleolithic" diet is working best for me. (Friel's Paleo Diet For Athletes).
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I've been going between 100%vegetarian (octo+lacto), and something like "fish 1 of every 9 meals"
You can certainly do it, but as has been noted -

Don't be a carb monster (this is really easy to do)
Keep your fat intake up
Keep your protein intake up (and from various sources - quinoa, legumes, soy, eggs, etc)... i have much better results when I eat a wider range of protein sources
Plan on eating what feels like a lot more volume - 6oz of spinach may feel like it takes 70' to get through, but it still is less mass than a decent sized burger.
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So you're saying going veg will cause you to go into hiding and live as a woman?
Tabloid myth about the women part.
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Excess protein is excreted. No harm, no foul.
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Lacto-ovo vegetarian for 18 years now. Lots of egg, soy, greek yogurt, whey protein, beans, tufo, etc., get me my protein. VERY easy to overdo the carbs, so stay aware of your intake.
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I was vegetarian for most of this season, I've since started eating meat again and noticed that I feel much better incorporating at one meal of meat a day into my diet wether it be fish, chicken or red meat.
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also check out this guy: http://www.brendanbrazier.com/

i saw him do a presentation at whole foods a while back and found him to be very inspirational
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Brendan is pretty cool, and his book Thrive is pretty amazing, highly recommended. However, don't buy into his product line too much, which is mostly overpriced.
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