Originally Posted by ZeCanon
(Post 11011427)
Sounds like your local track is a slow one.
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I could break one minute, but only if my timing clock was just outside the event horizon of a massive black hole.
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my best advice is if you are going with an aero setup, go WIDE on the aerobars . it is harder to handle than i thought it would be. BUT, this was overgeared, and with my elbows touching.
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Did another test today, but in the 53-14. Felt like a really tall gear.
Still, compared to the previous week:
But, the hill at the end killed me in the taller gear, and I finished at the same time. So, I need to find a flatter course. I want to try the 53-14 again, at full test RPE. Last time was not quite there. I also think I need to start rolling. Today I did a trackstand for 10 seconds, reset in that position, then started. The computer didn't start recording again until 11mph, so I had to extrapolate back. In other news. I'm really starting to like this 1' pain again. My brain is twisting nicely, and I find myself wanting to test weekly or more. <evil eyes> |
Originally Posted by waterrockets
(Post 11054506)
I also think I need to start rolling. Today I did a trackstand for 10 seconds, reset in that position, then started. The computer didn't start recording again until 11mph, so I had to extrapolate back.
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Hi,
I am definitely impressed with WR's power and speed. However, the extrapolations are quite interesting... :popcorn
Originally Posted by Racer Ex
(Post 11011332)
I did a flying 200 in 12 seconds the other night on regular bars. Wasn't really trying that hard either. So I figure I could do the kilo right at a minute. With aerobars I ought to be able to drop that down quite a bit.
It's just simple math.
Originally Posted by ridethecliche
(Post 11011914)
I can probably do a minute if you make me drink a gallon of milk and put me on the bike with a lighter behind my ass.
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Excellent idea.
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Originally Posted by waterrockets
(Post 11054506)
In other news. I'm really starting to like this 1' pain again. My brain is twisting nicely, and I find myself wanting to test weekly or more. <evil eyes>
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Originally Posted by waterrockets
(Post 11054506)
In other news. I'm really starting to like this 1' pain again. My brain is twisting nicely, and I find myself wanting to test weekly or more. <evil eyes>
1. Giddeon Massie (Huntington Beach, Calif./Bike Religion) 102.793 2. * Taylor Phinney (Boulder, Colo./Trek-Livestrong) 104.438 3. David Espinoza (Kutztown, Pa./Bike America) 1:06.134 4. Daniel Sullivan (Bloomfield, N.J./Team Metra-Wendy’s) 1:06.388 5. Peter Billington (San Rafael, Calif./LTO Velo) 1:06.535 |
Originally Posted by waterrockets
(Post 10998494)
Encouragement appreciated.
So what about gearing? I'm looking at 95 inches right now. That 10" time improvement would take me up to 130 rpm in the body of the effort. Should I learn to spin that gear to hang on to some acceleration, or bump it up a bit? I've been training some spin lately, averaging in the 105rpm range, with a few minutes here and there around 125 rpm, all in the threshold zone. I certainly believe the acceleration from standing would be different. I'll try some from a trackstand sometime. The computer was over-estimating my speed at this point, as I was nearly fall-over speed. No way I'd really cover 4 miles in an hour. Any slower and I would have just had to trackstand. Do your intervals at higher rpm, learn to hang onto the speed by spinning. |
WR, a pretty good explanation of what Chris Hoy is doing and why. Most of us tend to get our CG moving up/down rather than back to front = bouncing the bike or backing off on the power.
http://www.fixedgearfever.com/module...oaching&op=sst |
Originally Posted by gsteinb
(Post 11058774)
I guess that's good....but really liking the sub 1'05" (or so) pain would be a bit more helpful.
1. Giddeon Massie (Huntington Beach, Calif./Bike Religion) 102.793 2. * Taylor Phinney (Boulder, Colo./Trek-Livestrong) 104.438 3. David Espinoza (Kutztown, Pa./Bike America) 1:06.134 4. Daniel Sullivan (Bloomfield, N.J./Team Metra-Wendy’s) 1:06.388 5. Peter Billington (San Rafael, Calif./LTO Velo) 1:06.535
Originally Posted by Voodoo76
(Post 11066559)
WR, a pretty good explanation of what Chris Hoy is doing and why. Most of us tend to get our CG moving up/down rather than back to front = bouncing the bike or backing off on the power.
http://www.fixedgearfever.com/module...oaching&op=sst [edit]and thanks![/edit] |
Ah masters. I misunderstood.
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I did 4x250m (standing) tests today. Pretty flat section of road, two in each direction.
One in each direction in the 53-15, and one in each direction in the 53-14 Anyone want to guess which gear yielded the fastest 250 in each direction? |
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It was actually the 14. I was surprised. I still need to do the download, but it looks like it made a 1" difference to 250m (20" instead of 21"). Top speed was 2mph faster (35.5 vs. 33.5). Cadence for meters 251+ looked like they would feel much better too.
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Roadies tend to overgear on the track. 50/14 (96 inch) is probably the biggest that most amateur racers use. Most will be closer to a 90 inch gear. 110 RPM average (including the standing start in a 90 inch gear) is what I hit on my latest kilo race (1:18 on my second ever kilo on a standard track bike), and if you look at the video of Hoy (in the fixed gear fever presentation), he is right around that average cadence as well.
Control is a big deal too, depending on the track. At my home track, Alpenrose, most first time kilo riders with aerobars end up riding near the stayers line. While it's not as bad at other tracks (ours is particularly steep for it's length), you'll give up 3-4 seconds with a standard track bar, but you'll sacrifice more if you mishandle even one corner. |
Originally Posted by andre nickatina
(Post 11014560)
Indeed, Alpenrose is steep and bumpy...
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Unfortunately I don't have time to adapt to a 145rpm cadence (which is what I've timed Hoy at in video of his La Paz run). I need to consider cadences that allow me to complete the effort. I just drop to 450W after 45 seconds at 130rpm. I just can't do it w/out training.
At this point, all I can do is test and see. If a tall gear isn't hurting me at 250m, when will it hurt me? After 250m, it's not a tall gear any more. It is disconcerting to see all the gearing standards used by everyone. I just don't see how those levels of spinning could work for me. |
Originally Posted by Brian Ratliff
(Post 11145496)
Roadies tend to overgear on the track. 50/14 (96 inch) is probably the biggest that most amateur racers use. Most will be closer to a 90 inch gear. 110 RPM average (including the standing start in a 90 inch gear) is what I hit on my latest kilo race (1:18 on my second ever kilo on a standard track bike), and if you look at the video of Hoy (in the fixed gear fever presentation), he is right around that average cadence as well.
Control is a big deal too, depending on the track. At my home track, Alpenrose, most first time kilo riders with aerobars end up riding near the stayers line. While it's not as bad at other tracks (ours is particularly steep for it's length), you'll give up 3-4 seconds with a standard track bar, but you'll sacrifice more if you mishandle even one corner. My teammate was 2nd in the collegiate national points race last year on a 52/14. When you don't have hours of high cadence work in your legs, going with traditional track gears because "it's what trackies do" is just dumb. |
Originally Posted by ZeCanon
(Post 11145667)
Roadies overgear on the track because we ride at different cadences then trackies. I CAN NOT race a points race on anything less than a 50/15. I usually run 50/14 or 51/14. I simply can't spin that fast and produce power. Yes, it's not what trackies do, but I'M NOT A TRACK RACER.
My teammate was 2nd in the collegiate national points race last year on a 52/14. When you don't have hours of high cadence work in your legs, going with traditional track gears because "it's what trackies do" is just dumb. Trackies ride their gears simply because that's what you have to ride to be able to accelerate. Not "just because they are trackies". It's really hard to do a credible standing start for a sprint event with anything over a 90 or 92. Not impossible, but hard. That's all I'm pointing out here. No need to get defensive. Just like you don't take advice on pacing hillclimbs from a trackie, you don't take advice on track sprint gearing from a roadie. |
My problem is reconciling the 2mph speed difference from 250m. I just can't hold that higher speed at that cadence with the training I have. I can hold it in the 14 though. I'm sure the 15 is faster to 150-200m for me, and that's even too tall of a gear according to most kilo riders. It just destroys the last 750m for me.
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Originally Posted by waterrockets
(Post 11145885)
My problem is reconciling the 2mph speed difference from 250m. I just can't hold that higher speed at that cadence with the training I have. I can hold it in the 14 though. I'm sure the 15 is faster to 150-200m for me, and that's even too tall of a gear according to most kilo riders. It just destroys the last 750m for me.
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Originally Posted by waterrockets
(Post 11145653)
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If a tall gear isn't hurting me at 250m, when will it hurt me? After 250m, it's not a tall gear any more. ... |
Originally Posted by Brian Ratliff
(Post 11145920)
Put it this way, you will spend much more than 25% of your time in the first 250m. Your fastest split will be the second 250m. Your third and fourth splits will be falling off and staying on top of your gear is more important than the force you produce. With shorter gears, you are really only hurting your second split. You are dramatically helping your first split, and the damage in the third and fourth splits is minimized by your natural fall in power production after that length of time.
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