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Old 07-01-10, 10:39 PM
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Crit Question

Would a tour level Euro pro smoke local pro's in a crit or local road race?
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Old 07-01-10, 11:02 PM
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in short -

yes.
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Old 07-01-10, 11:03 PM
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Originally Posted by chefxian View Post
Would a tour level Euro pro smoke local pro's in a crit or local road race?
facepalm.
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Old 07-01-10, 11:16 PM
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At Nevada City last year, Lace and Levi lapped most of the field.

My coach is an ex-euro pro. He was on T-Mobil and rode in the Giro. He was on Bissell 2 years ago but wasn't racing much last year. This year even though he is pretty much out of the racing scene, he lapped the field in a crit solo...

The guys that ride in the grand tours are another level over the domestic pros.
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Old 07-01-10, 11:20 PM
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Svein Tuft (rides for Garmin, 2nd in World TT last yr) won the Yaletown Grand Prix in Vancouver today. Jumped away at the start, got a 29 sec gap when the race was halted for a crash and lapped the field once the race was restarted.
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Old 07-01-10, 11:28 PM
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Originally Posted by ridethecliche View Post
facepalm.

OH OK then

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Old 07-01-10, 11:29 PM
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Originally Posted by umd View Post
at nevada city last year, lace and levi lapped most of the field.

My coach is an ex-euro pro. He was on t-mobil and rode in the giro. He was on bissell 2 years ago but wasn't racing much last year. This year even though he is pretty much out of the racing scene, he lapped the field in a crit solo...

The guys that ride in the grand tours are another level over the domestic pros.

wow!!
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Old 07-01-10, 11:46 PM
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Originally Posted by chefxian View Post
OH OK then
Lol. Love your edit reason.
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Old 07-02-10, 12:19 AM
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lolz
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Old 07-02-10, 06:35 AM
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maybe. too general of a question to make assumptions on. a couple of years ago at what was the CSC invitational at the time, has been named Clarendon Cup and currently US Air Force Cycling Classic - clarendon cup, a 100K very technical urban crit, garmin and t-mob were there. off the top of my head the field included backstedt, VdV, knaven, plus other "euro" pros, as well as the top domestic circuit talent, and a couple of local amateur teams. a break of 12 got away early and went with bagstedt and other euro representation. it lapped the field, making things confusing, but in the end, a colavita guy (domestic team) ended up winning. local amateur crashed in the last corner - a team mate who's half his size ran onto the course with a bike for him to ride across the finish - awesome scene.

so, in a general sense, the guys in the euro peloton are the cream of the crop, but no, they dont always smoke local pros or even local amateurs.
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Old 07-02-10, 06:52 AM
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Check out Ted King's blog. He's around in New England for a bit. He did a post on the grassroots scene when he did the Hilltowns RR, casually mentioning that "well I won the race so that helped" kind of thing. Apparently a really good guy.

His teammate Joao Carreira (sp?) has a blog too, ex-Bicycling editor, is on Team Test Cervelo also.

A friend who didn't make the top tier pros came back to race in prep for Philly and such. He went solo for a while in a race, got caught in the last lap. I found him after the race, said that it's too bad he got caught, was a strong solo, blah blah blah. He's like "I won the sprint though!"

When Target Training had a pro team (they did Tour of Georgia), their Argentinean Allesandro something (he went on a 150k-ish solo suicide break in Georgia) showed up at Bethel. He went at the gun. First lap, 5 guys on his wheel. Second, 1 guy, and that guy got 3rd at Elite Nationals a few years prior. Third lap he had ridden everyone off his wheel, not even breathing hard. The Cat 1s and 2s looked like 5s, struggling, dying, obvious effort. The Argentinean lapped everyone in maybe 15 laps and then sat in and chatted with friends.

Another ex-pro moved into the area this year, works for Cannondale. Used to race for Land Rover. He took off in the CT Stage Race road stage. Him and one other guy had a 4 minute lead at the first feed. There was a huge mess with a metal bridge, but they looked totally calm and collected. He soloed at Bethel a couple times to the win.

Regular pros are strong. ProTour pros are stronger.
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Old 07-02-10, 08:18 AM
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at the Harlem Criterium, two German 6-day track riders (one of whom, I think, is the German national pursuit champion) showed up. One of them attacked 5 laps into the race. The other bridged up shortly thereafter. They stayed away from the Pro/Am field for the next hour and a half.
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Old 07-02-10, 09:11 AM
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Harlem is a ****ty example. Eustice paid those guys to come and race against local ones and twos. If there was a balanced field with other domestic pros that gap wouldn't have been as easy to maintain.
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Frankie Andreu lives in the Detroit Metro area. In the spring, we have an early training series which he showed up to once back when he was still riding professionally. When the field took off, he was on the side lines chit chatting it up with someone. As the field was close to 3/4 the way done with their first lap he took off. Within a lap or two, he was with the field. Few laps later he drops the field and laps the whole field as if they were standing still. With three laps to go, he drops out, just because. Pretty BA.
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