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Old 03-11-11, 07:03 PM
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Attacking after crash?

In a recent race a fellow next to me dropped a chain, managed to fall and took a good chunk of the group with him. Next, the guys around me and in front of me intentionally lay on the gas to get away from those behind or in the wreck. Wrong? illegal? morally uncool?
I thought it was lame and spoke up against it, but not many paid any mind, am I just too sentimental?
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Old 03-11-11, 07:14 PM
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I'm not a racer so this is an outsiders opinion but it is a race after all. The point is to get to the finish first, any distance you can put between you and the competition is good. I raced motorcycles at one point and had plenty of crashing going on during races, I feel for the guy I really do but I sure didn't let it affect my focus and I SURE didn't slow down for the racers caught behind him.
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Old 03-11-11, 07:18 PM
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If you get a flat do you get hurt feelings if the peloton doesn't stop to help you change your tire?
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Old 03-11-11, 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by adam123456 View Post
In a recent race a fellow next to me dropped a chain, managed to fall and took a good chunk of the group with him. Next, the guys around me and in front of me intentionally lay on the gas to get away from those behind or in the wreck. Wrong? illegal? morally uncool?
I thought it was lame and spoke up against it, but not many paid any mind,
am I just too sentimental?
Possibly (for racing anyway).

I think it's not always a dickhead instinct, it's more like, "let's get out of the way of trouble."

Either way, the biggest thing is to not turn around to look at the carnage - you won't get much out of it, will probably swerve, and possibly cause even more chaos.

So I hope that people in my race will keep their heads forward (and not turn back) - and if they attack in addition, well that's just racing. This is the way I see it anyway.
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Old 03-11-11, 07:45 PM
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In a professional stage race it is generally not done but in a club race, yes.
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Old 03-11-11, 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by adam123456 View Post
In a recent race a fellow next to me dropped a chain, managed to fall and took a good chunk of the group with him. Next, the guys around me and in front of me intentionally lay on the gas to get away from those behind or in the wreck. Wrong? illegal? morally uncool?
I thought it was lame and spoke up against it, but not many paid any mind, am I just too sentimental?
none of those
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Old 03-11-11, 07:47 PM
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You could have a moment of silence at the finish line.
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Old 03-11-11, 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by vjp View Post
In a professional stage race it is generally not done but in a club race, yes.
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Old 03-11-11, 08:22 PM
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If you get a flat do you get hurt feelings if the peloton doesn't stop to help you change your tire?
don't feel like this is the same thing, individual mechanicals are one thing, but intentionally attacking while 3/4 of the peleton is trying to get around the wreck seems lame to me. I don't hear of it in the upper categories, either.
oh well, guess I'll just have to work on my moral callous in addition to my legs.
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Old 03-11-11, 09:04 PM
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Originally Posted by gwpowers View Post
I'm not a racer so I should just STFU
Good call.

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I raced motorcycles at one point but anybody who's done both realizes there's a vast difference between the two, I'll defer to others who have done both at a high level
You are on fire dude!
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Old 03-11-11, 09:20 PM
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Old 03-11-11, 09:25 PM
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is this similar to when Contador attacked during the tour taking advantage of a Red failure?
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Old 03-11-11, 10:37 PM
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Originally Posted by vjp View Post
In a professional stage race it is generally not done but in a club race, yes.
This.
In fact, Mike Walden used to coach it into his riders: if you hear a crash behind you, you attack.

He also used to coach this: if you're going down in a crash, you are to aim for other riders. They're softer than the pavement.
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Originally Posted by Racer Ex View Post
Good call.



You are on fire dude!
That's awesome. Bravo. Well done, sir.
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Old 03-11-11, 11:04 PM
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Originally Posted by adam123456 View Post
don't feel like this is the same thing, individual mechanicals are one thing, but intentionally attacking while 3/4 of the peleton is trying to get around the wreck seems lame to me. I don't hear of it in the upper categories, either.
oh well, guess I'll just have to work on my moral callous in addition to my legs.
Be sure your heart doesn't bleed in the corners or more riders will slip and get a boo boo... There are no trophies for last place.
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Old 03-11-11, 11:54 PM
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part of racing is positioning yourself intelligently. If I'm tailgunning a crit, I run the risk of getting caught behind a crash. It sucks but I know it. If I can't afford to close a gap, and I can't afford to get gapped, I'd better stay near the front.

Of course if I'm stuck in the middle somewhere, I run the risk of being crashed out by some overzealous moron, so there's that.
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Old 03-12-11, 12:22 AM
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People here are willing to attack after a crash, but don't you dare actively disrupt the peleton from chasing down a break. Methinks there be a disconnect of some sort.
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Old 03-12-11, 05:43 AM
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i think its natural reaction to get the hell away from the crash
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Originally Posted by vjp View Post
In a professional stage race it is generally not done but in a club race, yes.
How'd that work out for Andy Schleck?
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Old 03-12-11, 07:19 AM
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Accelerating to avoid a crash is one thing, attacking is another.
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Old 03-12-11, 07:40 AM
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Originally Posted by EventServices View Post
This.
In fact, Mike Walden used to coach it into his riders: if you hear a crash behind you, you attack.

He also used to coach this: if you're going down in a crash, you are to aim for other riders. They're softer than the pavement.
You are dropping names like people know or care who he is.

He sounds like a real gem though...maybe we should just start punching people in the face while they are down and stomp on them also?

Why he thinks a body is softer than pavement is beyond me, they are normally attached to bikes with sharp protrusions sticking out of them, bikes and people are no more fun to fall on than the road.
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Old 03-12-11, 07:43 AM
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I've done the opposite. I was in a break of 10 in the rain. We came around a corner, and the guy who started the break slid into the ditch. He stayed up, but lost a lot of ground. I shut the break down until he got back in. We whittled the break down to five, and I ended up winning, he got 2nd. This "wait for him" action has helped me in other breaks, as this rider and several others from the break have given me small gifts in other races (a quick push over a hill, a "jump on in," etc.).

On the other hand, I've also won a crit where I jumped the first corner and three went with me. We went into the corner too fast to pedal, with a decent gap. In a panic, one of the guys behind us pedaled too long in the corner, and crashed. I didn't stop the break, as I figured we'd already gotten off the front, and only two people went down. Not really attacking the crash, but not really acknowledging it either. That one still sits a little uneasy with me, but I figure the length of the gap is inconsequential, as I had already lit a match well before the crash.

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You are dropping names like people know or care who he is.

He sounds like a real gem though...maybe we should just start punching people in the face while they are down and stomp on them also?

Why he thinks a body is softer than pavement is beyond me, they are normally attached to bikes with sharp protrusions sticking out of them, bikes and people are no more fun to fall on than the road.
You sound like your racing license might have six digits. NTTAWWT.

Walden was a bit of a gem, but I'd never heard this advice. I've followed a lot of his other advice over the years though.

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Old 03-12-11, 07:59 AM
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You sound like your racing license might have six digits.
Not all of us with six digit license numbers are clueless. Just sayin'.

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