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Old 04-08-11, 02:02 PM
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Why do masters dope so much??
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Not that uncommon. I know of one guy in a lot of my TX masters races who juices. He hasn't beaten me yet this year though
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Why do masters dope so much??
Money and ego....
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Money and ego....
Money? You mean they have the money to pay for it, or they are making money doing it?
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More money than sense.

Atleast when you're in your early 20's you're just a dope. I am anyway.
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Most docs are more likely to prescribe it to older men.
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Originally Posted by BikeNube
Most docs are more likely to prescribe it to older men.
And older men are more likely to ask their docs about it..

Either way it's up to those old men to know it's against the rules, dammit!
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Not one of the group I consider myself part in - though I've been destroyed in a race by him.

Total tool. I feel for all the folks he has coached that thought, "if I just follow this training plan, maybe one day I can be like Pete."

Total arrogant piss monkey.
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Is this the guy?
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Originally Posted by mattm
And older men are more likely to ask their docs about it..
Either way it's up to those old men to know it's against the rules, dammit!
True but I don't ask my doctor, I just ask that he fix what's hurting and stay out of the way.

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Yup.
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I'm old and I don't dope and I have the lack of results to back up that claim.
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Money? You mean they have the money to pay for it, or they are making money doing it?
Making money doing it in his case. He has (had?) a coaching business. I'm sure the fact that he was a 3x national champion was a big draw for most of his clients.
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Wow
just wow.

i hope he didnt quit his day job
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Yeah - I am sure his coaching business was built in part on his success in the field, so he had a financial incentive. But to be honest, ego and the ability to be one of the top guys and the respect other riders give you for that cannot be overlooked as the chief driving force.
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There's a reason they call it dope, kids.
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He's a local. I knew of him because of his TT'ing record at Charlotte Motor Speedway. And a coach.
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I'm old and I don't dope and I have the lack of results to back up that claim.
Based on my results, I'm convinced everyone in NC is doping except me.
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Ridiculous.

Eric Bean is from my neck of the woods, don't know him but I think we've got some mutual friends. I'll have to congratulate him on his "new" 2008 national TT title if/when I see him.
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Originally Posted by NomadVW
Not one of the group I consider myself part in - though I've been destroyed in a race by him.

Total tool. I feel for all the folks he has coached that thought, "if I just follow this training plan, maybe one day I can be like Pete."

Total arrogant piss monkey.
I agree, he's not one of my group.

I also feel sorry for the guys who were notified that they actually won a national jersey THREE years ago and missed their chance to stand on top of the podium where they rightfully belonged when it was handed out.
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I found the out of competition test aspect interesting and I wonder how it works in practice. A truck rolls up to your house and when you answer the door, you are requested to pee in a cup? I like the idea of testing the winner of natz and worlds races after they win AND send the mobile truck later.
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Originally Posted by mollusk
I'm old and I don't dope and I have the lack of results to back up that claim.
So your plan of victory is the same as mine. Attrition.
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Originally Posted by Hermes
I found the out of competition test aspect interesting and I wonder how it works in practice. A truck rolls up to your house and when you answer the door, you are requested to pee in a cup? I like the idea of testing the winner of natz and worlds races after they win AND send the mobile truck later.
Basically, they showed up at my door at 6AM. Once identified, you can not leave the tester's sight until you pee. I had to get ready for work, so I had to do everything I normally do in the morning in plain view of the tester, until I was ready to pee in a cup that I was allowed to choose out of about 5. You then pick from a choice of boxes that contain the sealed jars that will hold your A and B samples. You declare any vitamins, medication or supplements that you have been taking and then fill out paper work and you are done. If you are positive, you will be notified within two weeks, if you are negative as I was, you get a letter in the mail about three weeks later.
Everyone that has a racing license is subject to testing, including randoms. Pros are on the whereabouts list and must let USADA know where they will be. When USADA shows up, I believe they have four hours to report to where they said they would be. For amateurs, they can come to your home (like me), school or work. Unlike pros you are not required to be there so if you are not there, I believe they will wait three hours and then leave. Once they identify an amateur, they will stay until they collect a sample.
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I agree, he's not one of my group.

I also feel sorry for the guys who were notified that they actually won a national jersey THREE years ago and missed their chance to stand on top of the podium where they rightfully belonged when it was handed out.
I actually moved up into the top 15 at 2007 30+ national road race because of this. The sad part is for Matt Johnson who was 2nd on the day. Johnson was a junior phenom in the 90s and has plenty of stars and stripes jerseys. What is really sad is that this is the 2nd one he has received after placing 2nd to someone who is later declared positive and is DQd. Johnson was 2nd to Leipheimer at the 1996 criterium nationals. After Levi was positive for ephedrine, Johnson was declared the winner.
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Basically, they showed up at my door at 6AM. Once identified, you can not leave the tester's sight until you pee. I had to get ready for work, so I had to do everything I normally do in the morning in plain view of the tester, until I was ready to pee in a cup that I was allowed to choose out of about 5. You then pick from a choice of boxes that contain the sealed jars that will hold your A and B samples. You declare any vitamins, medication or supplements that you have been taking and then fill out paper work and you are done. If you are positive, you will be notified within two weeks, if you are negative as I was, you get a letter in the mail about three weeks later.
Everyone that has a racing license is subject to testing, including randoms. Pros are on the whereabouts list and must let USADA know where they will be. When USADA shows up, I believe they have four hours to report to where they said they would be. For amateurs, they can come to your home (like me), school or work. Unlike pros you are not required to be there so if you are not there, I believe they will wait three hours and then leave. Once they identify an amateur, they will stay until they collect a sample.
I think it's cool that you got tested. I wish I'd get tested. Not that I want to pee in front of someone, but I feel like it's kind of like voting, like a duty. I feel like if I don't do it then it's less transparent.

Of course the testers would show up and say something like "Omg you're fat. We don't have to test you."

One disappointing thing I learned when helping with a pro race is just how little they test for. It costs money to do the tests for the "cool" stuff like EPO. Testing is an a la carte thing, someone (USADA?) decides what they'll test for. The list could be very limited which would mean that the riders would have a chance of beating the test or, if they knew what they were testing for, they could just take different stuff. I was told what USADA would test for at that particular stage race. Unless that was a decoy statement (it was casual and not official), riders could have used that information to dope in the untested-for methods.
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