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This is great. I am glad we are testing all sorts of people. All winners should get tested at nationals and masters nationals ... why not. Why don't we bring the pee van to the nationals?
we should also have it randomly show up at some big regional races, for fun.
interesting this guy came clean though. it could have been his first urine test ?
i thought it was interesting also that this is year old news and we hear of it now. I wouldnt think it'd take a year to get that figured out if he was confessing.
we should also have it randomly show up at some big regional races, for fun.
interesting this guy came clean though. it could have been his first urine test ?
i thought it was interesting also that this is year old news and we hear of it now. I wouldnt think it'd take a year to get that figured out if he was confessing.
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Basically, they showed up at my door at 6AM. Once identified, you can not leave the tester's sight until you pee. I had to get ready for work, so I had to do everything I normally do in the morning in plain view of the tester, until I was ready to pee in a cup that I was allowed to choose out of about 5. You then pick from a choice of boxes that contain the sealed jars that will hold your A and B samples. You declare any vitamins, medication or supplements that you have been taking and then fill out paper work and you are done. If you are positive, you will be notified within two weeks, if you are negative as I was, you get a letter in the mail about three weeks later.
Everyone that has a racing license is subject to testing, including randoms. Pros are on the whereabouts list and must let USADA know where they will be. When USADA shows up, I believe they have four hours to report to where they said they would be. For amateurs, they can come to your home (like me), school or work. Unlike pros you are not required to be there so if you are not there, I believe they will wait three hours and then leave. Once they identify an amateur, they will stay until they collect a sample.
Everyone that has a racing license is subject to testing, including randoms. Pros are on the whereabouts list and must let USADA know where they will be. When USADA shows up, I believe they have four hours to report to where they said they would be. For amateurs, they can come to your home (like me), school or work. Unlike pros you are not required to be there so if you are not there, I believe they will wait three hours and then leave. Once they identify an amateur, they will stay until they collect a sample.
I totally agree that the process speed of testing and punishment is extremely poor. For enforcement to work, IMO, the testing and punishment should be fast and certain.
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is any of this posted anywhere officially? i keep hearing rumors that this rider and that rider got busted and i'm sure most of it is rumor but i would be nice to know for sure.
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For the record, I do not dope. Unless one considers Snickers bars and Coke dope.
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For those wondering 'why" a master would dope - yeah the coaching business is one obvious example, but also keep in mind how much $ racers will spend on equipment, coaching, winter training camps - even pack-fill type guys with blinged out bikes and $3k wheels.
Then consider that a 'roid program is under $500 (or less with insurance deductible if you can get your doc to say yes). HGH is more, of course, but it's not out of sight compared to a nice bike. EPO is (I suppose) harder to get your family doc to write a script for, but Joe Papp was quoting $1,500 for a year's worth before he got busted.
Then consider that a 'roid program is under $500 (or less with insurance deductible if you can get your doc to say yes). HGH is more, of course, but it's not out of sight compared to a nice bike. EPO is (I suppose) harder to get your family doc to write a script for, but Joe Papp was quoting $1,500 for a year's worth before he got busted.
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I saw a suspension list this year, with various infractions. Most of them were for non-payment of entry fees ($20-30 "due" before suspension lifted). One guy was on there for non-payment of prizes forfeited after getting popped for doping ($1500-2000). I don't remember an actual doping listing, except for that non-payment of prizes.
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in the master list of licenses on usacycling, theres also a list of suspended riders. doesnt state reason though.
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Basically, they showed up at my door at 6AM. Once identified, you can not leave the tester's sight until you pee. I had to get ready for work, so I had to do everything I normally do in the morning in plain view of the tester, until I was ready to pee in a cup that I was allowed to choose out of about 5. You then pick from a choice of boxes that contain the sealed jars that will hold your A and B samples. You declare any vitamins, medication or supplements that you have been taking and then fill out paper work and you are done. If you are positive, you will be notified within two weeks, if you are negative as I was, you get a letter in the mail about three weeks later.
Everyone that has a racing license is subject to testing, including randoms. Pros are on the whereabouts list and must let USADA know where they will be. When USADA shows up, I believe they have four hours to report to where they said they would be. For amateurs, they can come to your home (like me), school or work. Unlike pros you are not required to be there so if you are not there, I believe they will wait three hours and then leave. Once they identify an amateur, they will stay until they collect a sample.
Everyone that has a racing license is subject to testing, including randoms. Pros are on the whereabouts list and must let USADA know where they will be. When USADA shows up, I believe they have four hours to report to where they said they would be. For amateurs, they can come to your home (like me), school or work. Unlike pros you are not required to be there so if you are not there, I believe they will wait three hours and then leave. Once they identify an amateur, they will stay until they collect a sample.
To steal from the USAF Technical Applications Center motto: In God we trust; all others we monitor.
(God referenced above applies to all deities real or imagined, foreign or domestic, your mileage may vary, see your doctor if it lasts more than four hours.)
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I got no problem with some dudes taking testosterone for secondary hypgonadism....but taking some steroids you got off the web or from a "source" is kind of stupid.
A medical condition with a prescription from your doctor for bioidentical testosterone and your levels are within normal range is one thing so you can function and train. Taking steroids like this is much different.
The stuff doesn't increase your V02 or lactic acide removal ability.
A medical condition with a prescription from your doctor for bioidentical testosterone and your levels are within normal range is one thing so you can function and train. Taking steroids like this is much different.
The stuff doesn't increase your V02 or lactic acide removal ability.
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but it does help with recovery and allow you to train harder more frequently.
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I saw a suspension list this year, with various infractions. Most of them were for non-payment of entry fees ($20-30 "due" before suspension lifted). One guy was on there for non-payment of prizes forfeited after getting popped for doping ($1500-2000). I don't remember an actual doping listing, except for that non-payment of prizes.
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I think it's cool that you got tested. I wish I'd get tested. Not that I want to pee in front of someone, but I feel like it's kind of like voting, like a duty. I feel like if I don't do it then it's less transparent.
Of course the testers would show up and say something like "Omg you're fat. We don't have to test you."
One disappointing thing I learned when helping with a pro race is just how little they test for. It costs money to do the tests for the "cool" stuff like EPO. Testing is an a la carte thing, someone (USADA?) decides what they'll test for. The list could be very limited which would mean that the riders would have a chance of beating the test or, if they knew what they were testing for, they could just take different stuff. I was told what USADA would test for at that particular stage race. Unless that was a decoy statement (it was casual and not official), riders could have used that information to dope in the untested-for methods.
Of course the testers would show up and say something like "Omg you're fat. We don't have to test you."
One disappointing thing I learned when helping with a pro race is just how little they test for. It costs money to do the tests for the "cool" stuff like EPO. Testing is an a la carte thing, someone (USADA?) decides what they'll test for. The list could be very limited which would mean that the riders would have a chance of beating the test or, if they knew what they were testing for, they could just take different stuff. I was told what USADA would test for at that particular stage race. Unless that was a decoy statement (it was casual and not official), riders could have used that information to dope in the untested-for methods.
My paperwork does say "partial screen", although I'm not sure what they were looking for. I raced the Redlands Classic last week and USADA was there everyday. I'm not sure anyone there knew specifically what they would be looking for, so I think that testing is a good deterrent.
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Redal, Thanks for the reply. Last year, I competed in the road state 40K ITT championships and in track Masters Track Nations, Masters Track Worlds in Portugal and Masters Track State. There was no on site drug testing for the State but there was for Nationals and Worlds. At Nationals and Worlds, the choice of who got tested was not obvious. It appeared they tested some winners of races and new world records. I did not hear of anyone being tested at random at those races who did not do well but my info is limited.
I've done jr, elite and masters state champs as well as jr, collegiate, elite, and masters nationals. I've won jr, elite, and masters state champs. I've done many NRC races. This random test was the first time I had ever been tested. I've said before, I do believe random out of competition testing is the way to catch dopers, although in competition testing is important to let dopers know they are being watched. I've just heard stories that most of the guys doing anything illegal know how to be negative on race day.
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I don't know how to do the multi-quote thing. There is a list on USADA's site. It shows everyone who has been tested, negative and positive. I'm not sure when it was last updated. I think most of what you are hearing in SoCal is rumor. I know 8 riders who were tested including cat 1s, 35+ and 45+ riders. Some of these guys are the ones that you hear rumors about at races or training rides. They all got negative letters and are racing this year.
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I started thinking about what might show up in my pee. I take no prescription drugs and very rarely take OTC meds. On the other hand my pee might show a positive for IPA or asparagus. You won't need sophisticated equipment for the later.
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To the right of "Reply With Quote" is another quotation mark in a box with a plus sign. Click on it and make the plus a check sign. Then, after you've selected the quotes, click (at the top of the page) "Reply to Thread".
Or, how I do it if I lose a quote or two (multiple pages), just click the Reply With Quote then copy/paste that quote into a text file and keep going.
Based on your results I'm sure that people will talk about you too (although to start winning at Juniors is not necessarily a doping thing). It's the ones with weird history that strike people. Like if I, the worst climber in the world, started smashing souls on climbs. I mean, okay, I can smash souls for about 200 meters, but I'm talking if I'm doing it on a 1/2 mile climb.
I was the doping chaperone at a stage race and it was difficult being the messenger. Most of the racers were used to it though and knew that because they'd won or placed that they'd be tested. The ones that were randoms were sometimes used to it (one guy ended up "random" 3 days in a row - I think USADA wasn't just randoming him), some were not. The newbies were just as wide-eyed about the situation as I was. I had a director yell at me for about 5 seconds, pause, then say, "I understand you're just the chaperone (i.e. volunteer) so I'm sorry I yelled at you. I'm just frustrated, that's all." This was the third "random" day for his rider, and he was clean on all those tests (albeit for an extremely short list of products).
Or, how I do it if I lose a quote or two (multiple pages), just click the Reply With Quote then copy/paste that quote into a text file and keep going.
Based on your results I'm sure that people will talk about you too (although to start winning at Juniors is not necessarily a doping thing). It's the ones with weird history that strike people. Like if I, the worst climber in the world, started smashing souls on climbs. I mean, okay, I can smash souls for about 200 meters, but I'm talking if I'm doing it on a 1/2 mile climb.
I was the doping chaperone at a stage race and it was difficult being the messenger. Most of the racers were used to it though and knew that because they'd won or placed that they'd be tested. The ones that were randoms were sometimes used to it (one guy ended up "random" 3 days in a row - I think USADA wasn't just randoming him), some were not. The newbies were just as wide-eyed about the situation as I was. I had a director yell at me for about 5 seconds, pause, then say, "I understand you're just the chaperone (i.e. volunteer) so I'm sorry I yelled at you. I'm just frustrated, that's all." This was the third "random" day for his rider, and he was clean on all those tests (albeit for an extremely short list of products).
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His old posts are interesting. Sounds like he's anti-doping .... hmmm
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