pjcampbell

This is great. I am glad we are testing all sorts of people. All winners should get tested at nationals and masters nationals ... why not. Why don't we bring the pee van to the nationals?
we should also have it randomly show up at some big regional races, for fun.

interesting this guy came clean though. it could have been his first urine test ?

i thought it was interesting also that this is year old news and we hear of it now. I wouldnt think it'd take a year to get that figured out if he was confessing.

Hermes

Redal, Thanks for the reply. Last year, I competed in the road state 40K ITT championships and in track Masters Track Nations, Masters Track Worlds in Portugal and Masters Track State. There was no on site drug testing for the State but there was for Nationals and Worlds. At Nationals and Worlds, the choice of who got tested was not obvious. It appeared they tested some winners of races and new world records. I did not hear of anyone being tested at random at those races who did not do well but my info is limited.

I totally agree that the process speed of testing and punishment is extremely poor. For enforcement to work, IMO, the testing and punishment should be fast and certain.

zzzwillzzz

is any of this posted anywhere officially? i keep hearing rumors that this rider and that rider got busted and i'm sure most of it is rumor but i would be nice to know for sure.

shovelhd

That is ridiculous. How awful for him.

For the record, I do not dope. Unless one considers Snickers bars and Coke dope.

Creakyknees

For those wondering 'why" a master would dope - yeah the coaching business is one obvious example, but also keep in mind how much $ racers will spend on equipment, coaching, winter training camps - even pack-fill type guys with blinged out bikes and $3k wheels.

Then consider that a 'roid program is under $500 (or less with insurance deductible if you can get your doc to say yes). HGH is more, of course, but it's not out of sight compared to a nice bike. EPO is (I suppose) harder to get your family doc to write a script for, but Joe Papp was quoting $1,500 for a year's worth before he got busted.

carpediemracing 

I saw a suspension list this year, with various infractions. Most of them were for non-payment of entry fees ($20-30 "due" before suspension lifted). One guy was on there for non-payment of prizes forfeited after getting popped for doping ($1500-2000). I don't remember an actual doping listing, except for that non-payment of prizes.

pjcampbell

in the master list of licenses on usacycling, theres also a list of suspended riders. doesnt state reason though.

EventServices

In a perfect world, there would be in independent testing facility and crew that shows up at the same time and takes a C and a D sample to a different lab.
To steal from the USAF Technical Applications Center motto: In God we trust; all others we monitor.

(God referenced above applies to all deities real or imagined, foreign or domestic, your mileage may vary, see your doctor if it lasts more than four hours.)

substructure

Surprisingly, not hardly a word at our crit Sunday. (Him being a local and all).

zigmeister

I got no problem with some dudes taking testosterone for secondary hypgonadism....but taking some steroids you got off the web or from a "source" is kind of stupid.

A medical condition with a prescription from your doctor for bioidentical testosterone and your levels are within normal range is one thing so you can function and train. Taking steroids like this is much different.

The stuff doesn't increase your V02 or lactic acide removal ability.

kensuf

but it does help with recovery and allow you to train harder more frequently.

zzzwillzzz

our district post a list and it's 99% for bad checks for entry fees.

redal

I ended up doing a lot more than just peeing in front of the guy. I had already peed, flushed it down the toilet and left to walk my dogs when he came to the door. Like I said, once he identified me, I didn't leave his sight until I had to pee again. I had to make sure I wasn't late to work, so he went through my whole morning routine with me. I did start laughing and ask the guy why he was there to test me. I had pretty limited results last year. I quit giving him a hard time when I realized he was just there following orders. I didn't mind being tested, it was a little unnerving though, because you think about anything you've eaten in the past couple of days and since I take a couple of legal supplements, this started making me wonder if the "contaminated supplements" stories have any truth.
My paperwork does say "partial screen", although I'm not sure what they were looking for. I raced the Redlands Classic last week and USADA was there everyday. I'm not sure anyone there knew specifically what they would be looking for, so I think that testing is a good deterrent.

redal

I've done jr, elite and masters state champs as well as jr, collegiate, elite, and masters nationals. I've won jr, elite, and masters state champs. I've done many NRC races. This random test was the first time I had ever been tested. I've said before, I do believe random out of competition testing is the way to catch dopers, although in competition testing is important to let dopers know they are being watched. I've just heard stories that most of the guys doing anything illegal know how to be negative on race day.

redal

I don't know how to do the multi-quote thing. There is a list on USADA's site. It shows everyone who has been tested, negative and positive. I'm not sure when it was last updated. I think most of what you are hearing in SoCal is rumor. I know 8 riders who were tested including cat 1s, 35+ and 45+ riders. Some of these guys are the ones that you hear rumors about at races or training rides. They all got negative letters and are racing this year.

mollusk

I started thinking about what might show up in my pee. I take no prescription drugs and very rarely take OTC meds. On the other hand my pee might show a positive for IPA or asparagus. You won't need sophisticated equipment for the later.

carpediemracing 

To the right of "Reply With Quote" is another quotation mark in a box with a plus sign. Click on it and make the plus a check sign. Then, after you've selected the quotes, click (at the top of the page) "Reply to Thread".

Or, how I do it if I lose a quote or two (multiple pages), just click the Reply With Quote then copy/paste that quote into a text file and keep going.

Based on your results I'm sure that people will talk about you too (although to start winning at Juniors is not necessarily a doping thing). It's the ones with weird history that strike people. Like if I, the worst climber in the world, started smashing souls on climbs. I mean, okay, I can smash souls for about 200 meters, but I'm talking if I'm doing it on a 1/2 mile climb.

I was the doping chaperone at a stage race and it was difficult being the messenger. Most of the racers were used to it though and knew that because they'd won or placed that they'd be tested. The ones that were randoms were sometimes used to it (one guy ended up "random" 3 days in a row - I think USADA wasn't just randoming him), some were not. The newbies were just as wide-eyed about the situation as I was. I had a director yell at me for about 5 seconds, pause, then say, "I understand you're just the chaperone (i.e. volunteer) so I'm sorry I yelled at you. I'm just frustrated, that's all." This was the third "random" day for his rider, and he was clean on all those tests (albeit for an extremely short list of products).

jwible

bump.

echappist

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

the post above yours couldn't have been more ironic. Good job sleuthing

edit: i wasn't referring to CDR. referring to the poster above Mollusk

Homebrew01

His old posts are interesting. Sounds like he's anti-doping .... hmmm

carpediemracing 

I love the bump too. Ironic.

pjcampbell

ironic

therhodeo

So I'm guessing Redal rode for Monster Media?

carpediemracing 

Someone here did the math, matching placings with name. Seems spot on but I can't find the thread.

wfrogge

A nobody gets banned while we cannot get a ruling on the Contadoper case... Nice