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Old 11-03-04, 11:20 AM
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Greg Lemond

I watched a show on him last night. What a jerk.

He said that he should have won 6 or 7 TDF's and he started doing poorly once everyone was doping.

Just admit it. You were a great racer but you won what you won and that is it.
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Old 11-03-04, 11:26 AM
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Greg raced in a different time. Imagine being ordered to let your French teammate win the TdF because you're a foreigner on a French team. I have no doubt that most of those guys were doped to their gills though... that was about the time of common EPO usage too.

I've never met the guy but he does seem to come across as an a**.
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Old 11-03-04, 12:18 PM
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My wife commented on how much weight he's gained. What happened to keeping fit, like Wayne Stetina, et al and being happy with who you were and what you did, not what could of been.
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Exactly my point.

He has some disease possibly brought on by the 40 lead pellets still in him which breakdown his muscles so I guess he cannot stay in shape.
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No doubt a great rider and helped break the Americans into the international road racing scene. His accident was unfortunate and may have cost him a tour or two. But he sure does carry a huge chip soaked in sour grape juice. Kinda sad Not much of an ambassador for cycling other than his bikes. The other greats and not so greats have given back graciously and generously to the sport that made them
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Does anyone know if he was always like this, or if he has ratcheted up his bitterness in the last few years as the mainstream media, and general public have idolized Lance and his TdF victories?

When Lemond was done, their were other 5 time winners..but he seems to have "snapped" once Lance became the American Public's favored US racer in the TdF.

Just wondering
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Greg mentioned that he didn't accept his medical diagnosis as the reason the peloton was faster than him after he won his last Tour. He maintains there are no training secrets, that what it takes to get to the top is already known, nothing mysterious or exclusive.
So he was inferring by his conclusions that some other factor was at play; he states that was when he feels riders started using drugs...
And he wasn't, so he couldn't keep up.
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Originally Posted by ZappCatt
Does anyone know if he was always like this, or if he has ratcheted up his bitterness in the last few years as the mainstream media, and general public have idolized Lance and his TdF victories?
I guess it has become more and more noticable as the years have gone on
I could be wrong though

He does seem a bit bitter over a lot of things... I've read at least once of him almost trying to say that Hinault was at fault for his hunting accident (due to betrayal, resulting depression, blah blah)
I'm sure he isn't that bad of a guy in person though. I guess many people who meet him find him to be a cool guy.

His bitterness may be magnified over the Armstrong situation. (and I can see where he is coming from)
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Old 11-03-04, 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by ZappCatt
Does anyone know if he was always like this, or if he has ratcheted up his bitterness in the last few years as the mainstream media, and general public have idolized Lance and his TdF victories?

When Lemond was done, their were other 5 time winners..but he seems to have "snapped" once Lance became the American Public's favored US racer in the TdF.

Just wondering
I snagged this quote from his website:

"Greg LeMond remains, as ever, friendly and accessible, charming and unpretentious; a true gentleman champion."
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Originally Posted by jazzy_cyclist
I snagged this quote from his website:

"Greg LeMond remains, as ever, friendly and accessible, charming and unpretentious; a true gentleman champion."
Um yea but that is his web site, what is it going to say? "Greg LeMond is a bitter a-hole but he has product to sell that is pretty good so please buy it."
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Old 11-03-04, 04:04 PM
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Greg LeMond was my hero, he's one of two people I've ever met that I bothered to ask for an autograph. He was very nice and didn't come off as arrogant. He seems to be a bit bitter about Lance's success which really concerns me. He is currently working with a junior team and if his bitterness is coming through then these young riders are not getting his best.
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Originally Posted by jazzy_cyclist
I snagged this quote from his website:

"Greg LeMond remains, as ever, friendly and accessible, charming and unpretentious; a true gentleman champion."

Well, the above quote along with the fact that he thinks he could have won 6 or 7 TdF's should have us all agreeing on one thing about LeMond: He certainly is modest!

For some reason, it appears to me that he just does not like Mr. Armstrong. Maybe the fact that Lance has won 6 TdF has something to do with it. On the other hand, this probably has nothing to do with it.

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Old 11-03-04, 06:51 PM
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Greg Lemond- "should have, could have".

Lance Armstrong - "shouldn't have, couldn't have, but did".

Maybe the difference between true champions.
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See post #3.
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The guy was great. No doubt.

But just let it lie. No reason to make excuses about why you were not even better.

Who cares if he or Lance are better and the only reason Lance does well is his team. Who cares if he would have won more if not for Hinault and the shooting accident. Just ride and win.

Lance had cancer, he almost died and he shows his true colors by racing and winning; not whinning.

Yes he can only race the TDF and a few other races. Yes it would be nice if he would ride several Grand Tours/World Championships in the same year. He does train a lot to get ready for the TDF. I realize it is not the same as racing but it is not as if he is sitting home with Sheryl Crow until July.

Lemond should just shut up and let others set his place in history.
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If I can indulge you all with a story, I'll tell you about the time I rode with Greg LeMond. First off, I have no real racing talent. I worked very hard for good local results, so I never knew or rode with any famous cyclists up until that time.

It was February 1996 (I think) and I was living in St. Petersburg FL at the time. I had heard that Greg LeMond was going to be competing in the St. Pete Grand Prix, an auto race. When I read it I thought "cool", but then forgot about it. I used to ride early then, and at 6:00 am I went for a ride wearing my old Molteni jersey, like Eddy Merckx wore. I was JRA (just ridin' along) when I hear behind me, "Molteni, Molteni", I look back and coming up beside me is a guy riding a LeMond Maillot Jaune wearing a LeMond cycling jersey. It takes me a second to realize who he was, but then I say "holy <insert favorite expletive>... oh right, this is happening", and Greg laughs. Then I thought, "oh yeah, he's in town for the race", and I say that to him. He replies that he is and then he touches my jersey and asks, "is that a real one?", and I reply, "I think so, I got it from an overseas friend many years ago. It's definitely wool". I have been asked if I washed that jersey, and the answer is yes. I say to Greg, "where you heading?", and he says (get this), "I'll just ride along with you if that's ok". It was better than "ok". I asked him how far he wanted to go, and Greg said, "40 clicks", and I was pleased to find I knew what that meant (40 km). I rode him all around one of my favorite courses, and we chatted the whole way. He must have noticed my legs were shaved (or perhaps it was my stunning form) because he asked, "do you race?", and I said I did. Greg asked, "are you any good?", and I laughed and said, "when the competition isn't too tough", and we laughed together. I asked him about the 85 Tour and he was quiet for a moment but then said, "I assume you know the story", I said I did, and he said, "well I was under orders to take it easy in the mountains". I said, "from Tapie?", and he said, "umm hmmm". He didn't seem to want to talk about it much, so I asked him about auto racing. He was much more enthusiastic on this subject. We also exchanged small talk, like I asked how his family was (NOTE: all people, even famous ones, love to talk about their kids), and he asked about my life. Quite frankly, he was the nicest, most unpretentious guy you'd want to meet. I mean I was just some guy he happened to encounter while riding in an unfamiliar town, and he treated me like a friend.

I rode him back to his hotel, he gave me his autograph, and he said, "thanks for the ride, I was afraid I might get lost riding alone". I said, "The pleasure is all mine. This was a thrill of a lifetime for me. Good luck in the race". I rode back home with the biggest grin I think I ever had. I got to work that day and told people that I had ridden with Greg LeMond and most were like, "oh... nice". I finally got a golfer friend to understand when I said it was like encountering Jack Nicklaus on your hometown driving range.

I later told my girlfriend (now wife) about it, and she got really excited for me, even though she doesn't ride or follow cycling. You have to love a girl like that.
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Originally Posted by TomInFLA
If I can indulge you all with a story, I'll tell you about the time I rode with Greg LeMond.
Nice story.
 
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Some things to consider...
*Drugs are prevalent and provide a definate advantage in endurance sports especially cycling...period
*The teams that have been caught were not demolishing the other teams in the peloton...their enhanced performance...seemed...to match the other teams...rather than noticably exceed them.
*There are many many situations where past and present riders lament their unwillingness to do the drugs or continue doing them to continue their career.
*When Cyrille Guimard recruited Lemond it was because of his passion for winning...he either crashed or flatted in the Red Zinger stage race while Guimard was watching...Lemond was so incensed that he was throwing his bike.
*Lemond was party to several of the most stressful,unfair,character challenging experiencing events we have witnessed in the TDF...his character....seemed....to have shown through. I find this especially telling considering his extreme desire to win.

I would hope we could all give Lemond the same level of support that we give LA...unfortunately their seems to be some inherent conflict between those two choices. Just as Lemond sets himself up to be considered bitter...LA sets himself up to be called doper by his actions and associations. THIS DOES NOT MAKE EITHER ACCUSATION TRUE. It is possible that both are LARGELY correct in their opinions.

Lemond was one of those responsible for my love of the sport... a true hero. He was, just like Armstrong in that his build and attitude was more of a Classics/short tour type rider. Perhaps because I tend to agree with his (Lemonds) comments regarding drugs and his DEMONSTRATED abilities, I give him the benefit of the doubt. I really hope that he has not become as bitter as some feel but rather...because of his love and respect for the sport...has decided to carry the burden of speaking out. What a great burden to carry given the adulation associated with LA and those trying to save the image of the sport by hiding the truths regarding drug use.

A final question...Does it show more strength for Lemond to stand strong and voice his concerns or to remain largely quiet. It is likely we don't know the answer to that since we don't have the inside knowledge to determine which side is most accurate.
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to the person who mentioned lemond being out of shape....
eddy merckx wasn't exactly fit either for a while

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I really liked the show. Too bad he made some pretty poor comments towards the end of the show, but such is life when you are thinking back to what should have happened and versus what really did happen. I still find his determination to make a comeback admirable. Lemond really helped get the US on the map as far as European racing is concerned. He in a way paved the raod for Lance to go over and kick some butt in te TDF.
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I wonder if trek is gonna have to step in, and have lemond stop bashing the biggest marketing success ever in the history of bikes. (trek makes lemond...just so you guys knew...)
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he is a big "L"
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He deserve alot of credit.

1- as a jr racer he blew away the pro field in track and road.
2- was a dominant racer in europe when nobody thought American riders would ever be at the time.
3- won 3 tours and was told to hold back in 85, 3rd place in his first TDF (1984), 2nd in his 2nd(1985) and won in 1986. get shot in November.

They raced 10 months out of the year .He did did the classics, Won World Championship twice 1983 and 1989 ( Yeah I seen the race with Johnathan Boyer). Every body kicked him to the curb except PDM 1988 and Coors Light/ ADR Bottechia 1989.

Hey he has been there and done that and to me he was the last of the Big leaders that used to chased down or make bike field gaps in the field.

If you had pellets from a shot gun surounding your heart there is so much you can do.

I didn't like him putting Lance down but he has a right to state it as we write our opinion of Lemond.

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Originally Posted by divekrb
You win the TDF 3 times and you're what...a big loser?40.
No, it was great he won the tour 3 times; I enjoyed watching him. What's making him a big loser is all the comments he's "now" making.
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Originally Posted by Ceya
He deserve alot of credit.

1- as a jr racer he blew away the pro field in track and road.
2- was a dominant racer in europe when nobody thought American riders would ever be at the time.
3- won 3 tours and was told to hold back in 85, 3rd place in his first TDF (1984), 2nd in his 2nd(1985) and won in 1986. get shot in November.

They raced 10 months out of the year .He did did the classics, Won World Championship twice 1983 and 1989 ( Yeah I seen the race with Johnathan Boyer). Every body kicked him to the curb except PDM 1988 and Coors Light/ ADR Bottechia 1989.

Hey he has been there and done that and to me he was the last of the Big leaders that used to chased down or make bike field gaps in the field.

If you had pellets from a shot gun surounding your heart there is so much you can do.

I didn't like him putting Lance down but he has a right to state it as we write our opinion of Lemond.

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Great post!

I completely agree with the above.

Greg very well may be right about 6 or even 7 tours had he not been told to stand down in 85 and gotten shot after the win in 86. Then the end of his career came at the same time that the WHOLE pro peloton was riding with hemocrit levels of 58. The guy had a higher VO2 max than pretty much any cyclist ever tested and that includes all the top dogs of today. He had WAY more talent than pretty much anyone in his day. 6 or 7 would have been possible, it just didn't happen and now he has reporters asking him the same stupid questions over and over, year after year. I'd be pissed too if I were in his shoes. You win 3 tours and put pro cycling on the map in the US and the first thing that ask you is "whada you think of LA this, whada you think of LA that". I'm sure it gets really old.
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