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Old 11-04-04, 04:29 PM
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First time trial... questions?

Hello all,

I am doing my first time trial on Saturday and I went out and checked out the course today which leaves me some questions.

The course is rolling hills with mild climbing most of the way. There is also some fast curves and a few flat sections for speed. The total distan ce is 14.5 miles which is not all that bad. The average uauly time is 40 minutes which is about 21 MPH over the distance. I belive that is doable with some help.

For those of you whpo do time trials are there any stratigies that you use. I am planning on striping the bike as far as I can go. I was going to go for some areo bars but that is too much money for me right now. What about pacingt? Is it all the way full speed or is there some stratigies for speed. Thanks as always
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Old 11-04-04, 04:41 PM
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the mistake most people make is going out too fast and burning out, so make sure you pace yourself. an hrm would be good for this if you have one
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I jsut took a warmup spin around the block (about 5 miles), ya huge block and even with a messe dup street slowing me down for about 1 mile I averaged 18.7 MPH. I think if I can average about 17 MPH I can do the run in about 50 minutes which for a first time would be good. (Just keeping hydrated is the key).

Any more sugestions?
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I would if possible get a set of clip on aerobars if you can from a buddy. I know it is last minute and then practice a bit with them befroe the TT. They will help you to pick up a mph of so. They help!! If possible try to save a little for the end. Try to stay about 90% for the 1st half then raise the level up to almost redline as you get closer to the finish. Most of all have fun and use it as experience.
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I made some calls and about half the people that are doing it this week are using them and half are not. I am going to make some calls tomarrow and see if I can borrow some for Saturday. It is a litle later to order some from perfomance and the LBS around me do not carry them. I might just use this one for experience and then get a whole setup for next TT. I am not nearly as fast as some of the other riders but like most people who do a first race, I just want to finish in as fast as I can.

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Do you normally wear a heart rate monitor?
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I normally do not, I have thought about start too though...
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if you cant get any aerobars, no worries. bringing your arms in and draping your arms/wrists over the bars will work - thats assuming you are comfortable doing this at high speed and going downhill.
I think its actually fairly comfortable, and you can realllly ramp it up that way
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A few more tips I'd like to add, forgive me if I'm being redundant with some of the other posts here.

As for pacing, don't pace yourself. Unless you are not in good enough shape, you ALWAYS have something left at the end. If you know your max heart rate, try to stay just under it for the entire ride. Yes, it hurts but embrace it. I know that's a weird thing to say, but anyone whose done one of these and did well knows what I mean. Giving it all you've got like this is where your interval training pays off, since you already know what it's like to go hard, you're just going to sustain it for a longer period.

The number one thing that slows you down in a TT is your body, so make sure your position is the best it can be. Strive for being a bullet in the wind, but make sure you can breathe easily.

Make sure you properly warm up. If it's a short TT, say 10 miles, warm up for at least 20-30 minutes. If it's a long one, warm up for almost an hour. Do some easy pedalling at first, work up to quick sprints to get your heart rate up, then cool down with cadence pedalling. Don't cool down too quickly before your start. If you're idle for more than 5 minutes before your start, you'll negate some of the benefits of warming up.

When you start off, get up to speed as quickly as possible. Then, go a little faster than you think you can sustain. Adrenaline is your friend here, and you can probably sustain that for about a minute or so. When you beat other riders by a few seconds, you'll be glad you did this.

When you see other riders in front of you, use that as motivation to catch and pass them. When you pass, do it decisively. When you see the finish line, give it absolutely everything you have. I always thought that if you felt like you wanted to barf after a TT, you did it right.

The mental prep is the part that often gets overlooked. Know that this effort will hurt, expect it to hurt, and deal with the hurt. Visualize yourself doing well, think about zipping along so fast that you're wondering if you're going hard enough. The last mental thing is the most important. It's something a coach once told me, and it applies to all racing and hard efforts. Don't forget to smile. Remember that maniacal grin Indurain had? It will do wonders for your psyche, and people will wonder if you've lost your sanity.

Good luck with your time trial. If you've invested the time in your training, I'm sure you'll do well.
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Thanks all again for your help...

I did get soem areo bars today and was amazed by the difference. I installed them and lightened the bike slightly... no lighting, - one h2o cage, etc. Not sure if to leave the super lite pump and spart tube and levers. I would hate to get stranded if something horible happens... oh well... \

Here is my bike ready to go...



Areo bars, areo wheels, striped...
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Well I got my results... 42 minutes for a 14.1 mile course... not too bad, I was right in the middle of the group, averaged approx 21 MPH. There was two killer hills in the middle that required me to push as hard as I ever have... but I did... 90 - 100 percent the whole time...

BTW the low time for the course is 37 minutes...
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Did you ditch the spare? If not,weigh the pack and see how much weight you can drop for those hills next time!!

I found out my pack is 4-5 lbs. Did you drink during the ride? If not,that is more weight savings
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I did not ditch the spare but I did remove everything but the tube and some tire levers. I also kept the frame pump but since it is one of those cf ones and it is very very lite I kept it. I did not drink at all during the ride, I kept about 8 ounces of water with me though just in case. I think I hydrated enough before not to need it. The time trial went so fast that I was only thinking about the road and the hills and speed.

I think I am going to have to work on intervals more though... so I can pick up another few minutes next time...
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In regards to pacing... keep in mind that using x power going uphill will gain much more time (per energy useage) in comparison to using x power going downhill

edit: now I see you already did the TT. Oh well.
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Thanks for the help... I will remember that next time...
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You need a huge gear for the downhill sections. Going downhill is where you can gain some signifigant time!..because you will gather alot of momentum coming off the bottoms of the declines. Just get aero as possible in your position....then really emphasize your speed when going downhill. Nail the downhills and you will do ok! Many of your competitors will take them for granted.
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Anyone ever do a TT on a fixed gear bike? I'm really considering it if I can find a local race. Looks like a great way to see how fast I really am on a fix in relation to a road bike. I'd have to throw on a bigger chainring, like 48x15 instead of 42x15 so I don't get killed on the downhills and maybe put on some aero bars. Do they require front brakes in TTs? Because I could shave some weight by losing my brake levers and front brake.
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If you are going to get rid of any brakes, I'd get rid of the rear, but I wouldn't do either unless its a perfect course or a track. I wouldn't want just back brakes, you can't stop fast enough. However, unless like I said its a perfect environment, I would want back brakes because locking up the front wheel is bad emmmkay?
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well, I mean no brakes at all, as I have only a front brake on my fixed gear at the moment. I can slow down and stop using backpressure without needing conventional brakes. I believe the UCI considers a fixed gear drive train a back brake, but I'm unsure if they require a front brake in road events.
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Originally Posted by Shiznaz
well, I mean no brakes at all, as I have only a front brake on my fixed gear at the moment. I can slow down and stop using backpressure without needing conventional brakes. I believe the UCI considers a fixed gear drive train a back brake, but I'm unsure if they require a front brake in road events.
back in the day, all the old-schoolers used fixed-gears for TTs. you would have that old-school appeal if you did that.
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Originally Posted by my58vw
I normally do not, I have thought about start too though...
You need to find out what your lactate threshold is...then ride as fast as you can at about 3-4 heartbeats below that limit. That will allow you to clear the lactate acid and finish the race. You can't go any faster than your circulatory system can deliver blood to you muscles.
You REALLY need to get a Polar or something similar to know where you, fitness-wise...the trick is to increase those limits to get faster...pure and simple.
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