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Old 05-18-11, 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Homebrew01 View Post
On topic, this reminds me of when I got back into racing, and had to start off with the newbie category. 2 guys move up on my right, and I see a big gap then a 3rd guy. I slide over into the gap to move up and hear "Hey, you can't do that !"
Duh, you forgot to wave as filled the gap.

Amateur.
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Old 05-18-11, 09:52 PM
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I didn't get to race the Driveway last week, but one of my teammates got into a break of 7 (tough bridging effort), and they stayed away. There was one team with four, and one team with two in the break, and my guy.

So, he got 2nd. Anyone want to guess what he did in the break? Anyone want to guess what the team of 4 was screaming at him about after the race?

There's a transformation where racers stop racing like 4s and start racing like they understand how races work. Some do that when they're 4s, and some not until they are 2s... but these 3s were clearly not there yet.

If you're a sprinter, can add in your head, the other teams have more than you, and the break is stable off the front, you sit. That's just what you do.

If you have a lot of teammates in the break, at least some of you are going to have to work. If you realize there's a guy sitting in for the sprint, you have to gap him off or attack him off. Yelling at him for not pulling simply will not cause him to lose the sprint. Yelling at him after the race probably has even less of a chance of changing the outcome. I think.
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Old 05-19-11, 08:04 AM
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Originally Posted by waterrockets View Post
Yelling at him for not pulling simply will not cause him to lose the sprint. Yelling at him after the race probably has even less of a chance of changing the outcome. I think.
lolz... hey lots of guys seem to think it's worth a try
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Old 05-19-11, 08:14 AM
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Gee, most of the time I'm yelling at guys to quick doing stupid ****. Like in my last race, I hollered at a guy to stop just cutting quickly to the outside. There was no gap there, he just wanted to get out and almost crashed into this teammate about five times.

Of course, he eventually crashed into his teammate and took me and about 10 others out too.
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Old 05-19-11, 08:21 AM
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Always seems to be the odd loudmouth who wants to play police officer in the field, especially in RRs. At the state rr two years ago, this dude (from the back no less) was yelling to stop slowing down so much, stop crossing the yellow line, inside, sand, hole, etc. At one point he decided to yell "YELLOW LINE" at the motoref as he rode past the field. After which point, he was listed as DQ on the results. This was in the 3's also.
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Old 05-19-11, 08:26 AM
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I see no problem with yelling at a guy for not working in the break, once. It's not necessary, but it doesn't hurt to send him the message. You might get lucky, he could be a new racer and succumb to the pressure. There's no need to send the message verbally more than once. Gap him off or deal with him.
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Old 05-19-11, 08:54 AM
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i don't talk much in races except swearing at the ice rain.
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Old 05-19-11, 08:57 AM
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I've sworn at the weather a few times in the last bunch of races.
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Old 05-19-11, 09:39 AM
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I love the loudmouths in mid pack telling the guys at the front what to do

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Duh, you forgot to wave as filled the gap.

Amateur.
How rude of me !
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Old 05-19-11, 09:51 AM
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i don't talk much in races except swearing at the ice rain.
The ice-grumpy-commeth.
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Old 05-19-11, 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by shovelhd View Post
I see no problem with yelling at a guy for not working in the break, once. It's not necessary, but it doesn't hurt to send him the message. You might get lucky, he could be a new racer and succumb to the pressure. There's no need to send the message verbally more than once. Gap him off or deal with him.
Yeah, we have a masters racer here who wins a lot of races, and he often yells at people to get up and work in breaks. Some of them do, so it's certainly a valid tactic. I only had to be in one break with him before I realized I needed to make him do much more of the work.

It's the actual anger verbalization that's silly.
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Old 05-19-11, 10:42 AM
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I love the loudmouths in mid pack telling the guys at the front what to do
I love this one. I mentioned it in my blog a while back too. I usually follow up right behind their yells with something like, "...says the guy riding at the back..."

In general I love the yelling. I do so much of it in "joke form" that it tends to cool off enough of everyone's nerves that people just seem to be nicer. My favorites include:

"Holy s***!!!! It's a CORNER! HIT THE BRAKES!"
"OMG A BUMP! I think it was there last lap too!! What's up with this place?"
"Holy crap that guy is dangerous! You better chase him down! He won the state TT Championships last weekend!" - said from the back when it's one of my friends off the front who won't realistically make it 2 laps.
"I heard there's a donut prime this lap Bob!" - said to my nemesis.
"Please don't swerve. There is nothing on this course you can't ride over. Besides -I know a good wheel guy!"
"How many laps are left guys? I need to get my sprint ready!"
"HEY! AREN'T YOU A CAT 3!!! I SAW YOUR UPGRADE REQUEST GO THROUGH LAST WEEK! WHAT ARE YOU DOING IN THIS RACE??!!"

Then if someone is actually doing something d'baggish and I am close I come along side and say something usually in a calm voice and nice tone and I try to be productive with it.

"Hey man. No worries but when you made that move back there I saw my life flash before my eyes. I may have done the same thing in your place, but just wanted to let you know it caused a bunch of us to check up. You're doing a great job BTW - you aren't on a team yet?......"
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Old 05-19-11, 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Psimet2001 View Post
Then if someone is actually doing something d'baggish and I am close I come along side and say something usually in a calm voice and nice tone and I try to be productive with it.

"Hey man. No worries but when you made that move back there I saw my life flash before my eyes. I may have done the same thing in your place, but just wanted to let you know it caused a bunch of us to check up. You're doing a great job BTW - you aren't on a team yet?......"
I've done this just a couple of time .... One guy got all bent out of shape when I quietly mentioned (on the cool down lap ) something about his weaving during the race.

In Plainville a few years ago, there was a kid racing who really looked like he'd never done group rides before. I was seriously considering forcing him out of the race and giving up my own chances to prevent any crashes ...... but he crashed himself & 2 other guys before I got a chance.
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Old 05-19-11, 12:33 PM
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Once when someone was yelling, I started singing "Why can't we be friends" during a race and one of my teammates joined in from across the field. It was hilarious.
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Once when someone was yelling, I started singing "Why can't we be friends" during a race and one of my teammates joined in from across the field. It was hilarious.
Yup - done that too. Also like to go, "Can't we all just get along??!" - or I like to pull up to a guy I know well from another team and say loudly, "So...how's the family? They out here today?" Brings a little perspective at times.
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Had you used those same words with the rider, he would have realized that his intelligence might not be what he thinks it is.
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I almost always offer to let them move up and show the guys who are pulling how it is done.
Not one has taken me up on it yet.
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On the other hand .... it's a good feeling when you occasionally bump shoulders and elbows a bit with other racers, and no one says anything because we all know it's not a big deal.
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Originally Posted by Homebrew01 View Post
On the other hand .... it's a good feeling when you occasionally bump shoulders and elbows a bit with other racers, and no one says anything because we all know it's not a big deal.
- Indeed. Just don't do this in Wisconsin....we have found they are not capable of handling this. I fear it is a side effect from mass consumption of cheese.
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On the other hand .... it's a good feeling when you occasionally bump shoulders and elbows a bit with other racers, and no one says anything because we all know it's not a big deal.
Yeah, I loved that about those first P12 crits I did. We had a downhill leading into a 150-degree corner, and it was always bunched up at the bottom because of the great draft. We'd go into that corner at 35mph, five across, and a couple times I was a few inches off the line I should have been on -- I'm blaming my aging reaction time... At one point, I got pinched between a rider on my inside, and one on my outside, and the three of us just leaned gently but firmly on each other to keep somewhat close to where we were supposed to be. We got through the turn at full speed, and went on with our business. Nobody said anything or made faces.
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If you have a lot of teammates in the break, at least some of you are going to have to work.
I got in a break with me and 5 guys from the same team once:

Them: Are you going to at least pull through?

Me: Dude, I went to public school. I can't do much math but I can add.
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I got in a break with me and 5 guys from the same team once:

Them: Are you going to at least pull through?

Me: Dude, I went to public school. I can't do much math but I can add.
How did it end?

I'm guessing from their request that they weren't the sharpest tools in the shed. Did you give them a free education?
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On the other hand .... it's a good feeling when you occasionally bump shoulders and elbows a bit with other racers, and no one says anything because we all know it's not a big deal.
A few years ago I finally went out on the local "hammer" ride that we call the Hipp Ride after being cajoled by soon to be team mates for a good long time. This ride has local infamy and for good reason. On the roll out I noticed that a few guys bumped me and touched me while also being friendly. To me it was no big deal. In retrospect I think that it was a "test" that I "passed". I had been there and done that for a LONG time before this ride.
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Originally Posted by Doggus View Post
them: <yell>
me: huh?
them: <yell>
me: you got a smoke?
them: what?
me: I wrote a letter to Santa last week
them: huh?
me: I just bought a prairie dog
them: wtf?
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so now I know... was always wondering what you were mumbling about
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