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Old 05-17-11, 07:41 PM
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I had no idea

So I went to race our Tuesday Night Worlds tonight. It had not been a great day and I had hoped to get in a good workout. 10 minutes into the P123 I flatted on yet another new pothole (the course is a designated Endangered Pothole Breeding Area by the fish and game service, and I can tell you it's quite successful), and kapow, I flat. Go fix it and jump back in to get some motorpacing and as I'm entering one of the faster tighter corners kapow again.

Now I had just started to turn and felt the tire getting loose so I smoothly uprighted the bike a bit at which point the following conversation occurred.

Genius Youth: "Hold your line!"

Dumb old man: "I have a flat"

Genius Youth: "You should still hold your line!"

Through a sharp corner. In a pack. At 25 MPH. With a flat rear tire. A clincher.

Apparently I'm old school. I had always thought that you needed both a tire AND air to go around corners. In the old days if you tried going around a corner, with a flat, in a group, you would fall down. Because the tire (this is a clincher) would remove itself from the rim. And it would be quite likely that people would fall down with you, mostly out of courtesy (I grew up in a more genteel era).

But apparently all the traction in these new carbon clincher rims is, in fact, in the RIM. The tire, tube, and air act as either a rim protector, or a good place to advertise various tire (rim protector?) brands.

Another old school part was that usually when we heard a loud BANG in front of us, we knew, for lack of a better turn of phrase, that the sheet was going to hit the fan a bit, and we should be on our toes. This expectation seems to have gone away, no doubt thanks to this amazing new rim technology.

Finally (and I shall end my epiphany here), we believed it was bad form to yell at somebody who was trying to wrestle a recalcitrant bicycle into submission, because this would not help the wrestler concentrate on the task at hand.

I'm certainly grateful for the teaching the younger generation is willing to pass on, especially in a P123 race. Learn something new every day.

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Old 05-17-11, 07:56 PM
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That suck, I feel your pain! Shrug it off
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Old 05-17-11, 07:56 PM
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The younger ones know so much more than us. Trust me on this one, I hear it all the time.
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Well honestly I would have said the same thing if you did not do anything to call attention to yourself. Anytime a flat in a pack occurs there should be an immediate raising a hand if possible and a shout of FLAT! to know you won't be holding your line.
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With all of the wheels you have for sale why are you racing on clinchers? One of the best reasons to race on tubulars is that they tend to flat a lot more gracefully.
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The younger ones know so much more than us. Trust me on this one, I hear it all the time.
You're most definitely a teacher
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Old 05-17-11, 08:17 PM
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Well honestly I would have said the same thing if you did not do anything to call attention to yourself. Anytime a flat in a pack occurs there should be an immediate raising a hand if possible and a shout of FLAT! to know you won't be holding your line.
I think he knows that. Just say'n.

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You think?
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Old 05-17-11, 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Creatre View Post
Well honestly I would have said the same thing if you did not do anything to call attention to yourself. Anytime a flat in a pack occurs there should be an immediate raising a hand if possible and a shout of FLAT! to know you won't be holding your line.
Another youth heard from. Do you not hear 130db explosions a few feet in front of you? You need someone to yell too? I've done NRC crits where there have been flats and guess what...come on, guess how we handle it.

Then try this: Let the air out of your tire. Ride 25 MPH into a corner. Ride through that corner while waving one hand.
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What brand of rim protector were you using? That report reminds me of my brief stint on PR3's.
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Originally Posted by Enthalpic View Post
What brand of rim protector were you using? That report reminded me of my brief stint on PR3's.
Vittorias. This course is so littered with holes I'm reluctant to roll out the tubulars. That and I was lazy.
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Originally Posted by Racer Ex View Post
Another youth heard from. Do you not hear 130db explosions a few feet in front of you? You need someone to yell too? I've done NRC crits where there have been flats and guess what...come on, guess how we handle it.

Then try this: Let the air out of your tire. Ride 25 MPH into a corner. Ride through that corner while waving one hand.
I just got a hilarious mental image of someone waving like the Queen on a flat tire.
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Old 05-17-11, 09:09 PM
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what Doggus said... that race is safer when posers like me are forced to stay at the back... wasn't enough wind to really make it selective and therefore it got really sketchy... had to grab handfuls of brakes several times, ended up skidding the rubber off my rear Conti and flatted too... good thing I got a heckuva a deal on tires at the RacerEx garage sale v.1
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Originally Posted by Creakyknees View Post
what Doggus said... that race is safer when posers like me are forced to stay at the back... wasn't enough wind to really make it selective and therefore it got really sketchy...
I heard that from a couple of people. Before I flatted I was sitting in the front 5 so I didn't see what was going on back there. I got 1/2 lap with the field on my return...the yelling is new to me in that race. If people can talk then we're not going hard enough.
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Looks like you need to roll out with gatorskins and up the pace through the goat heads next go around.
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Originally Posted by Racer Ex View Post
Another youth heard from. Do you not hear 130db explosions a few feet in front of you? You need someone to yell too? I've done NRC crits where there have been flats and guess what...come on, guess how we handle it.

Then try this: Let the air out of your tire. Ride 25 MPH into a corner. Ride through that corner while waving one hand.
Just because a tire exploded, not everyone knows where it came from. It's not like there is a flashing beacon on your head. Usually you can tell who it was because of how they are handling there bike, but not always. Something still needs to be said if you have enough time/thought and are purposely getting off your line.
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Just because a tire exploded, not everyone knows where it came from. It's not like there is a flashing beacon on your head. Usually you can tell who it was because of how they are handling there bike, but not always. Something still needs to be said if you have enough time/thought and are purposely getting off your line.
Acute observation. Not only a college student; a true thinker, master of logic.

I think going through a corner on a flat tire qualifies as NOT having "enough time/thought" to run down the courtesy list. To quote a poet from our peloton here "would you prefer we all just f'n crash?". Keep your head up, your eyes forward, and when you hear a loud bang, do your best to accomodate the person who is trying to keep himself upright. It's preferable for all involved that flat-tire-guy stays on his wheels (regardless of the line he's forced to) rather than yardsale it all over the road.
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Originally Posted by Brian Ratliff View Post
I think going through a corner on a flat tire qualifies as NOT having "enough time/thought" to run down the courtesy list. To quote a poet from our peloton here "would you prefer we all just f'n crash?". Keep your head up, your eyes forward, and when you hear a loud bang, do your best to accomodate the person who is trying to keep himself upright. It's preferable for all involved that flat-tire-guy stays on his wheels (regardless of the line he's forced to) rather than yardsale it all over the road.
+1.

The hand waving isn't to tell everyone you have a flat it's to signal the team car or neutral wheel car that you have a flat and whether it's a front or rear.

Don't they teach these kids anything?

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Then try this: Let the air out of your tire. Ride 25 MPH into a corner. Ride through that corner while waving one hand.
When is he gonna try this? I want to watch.
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I rode my fixed gear last night on our Tuesday nighter, and took one hand off the bars to point at a pothole. I immediately hit another one, hard enough where it felt like it was going to unclip me. I felt like a dumbass.
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(To be said with proper cadence)
Young man lets air out of his tire.
Throws into a turn, surrounded by 80 other racers.
Tire goes flat in turn.
Loud bang heard by all.
He holds hand up and shouts "fart."

And now you know, the rest of the story, good day. (That's for us "old timers.")
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Originally Posted by godshammgod View Post
I just got a hilarious mental image of someone waving like the Queen on a flat tire.
Did you just call RacerEx a queen?
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Just because a tire exploded, not everyone knows where it came from. It's not like there is a flashing beacon on your head
Here's a little hint from a guy who, to quote a friend of mine, has "won more races than you've been in".

The guy with the flat is the guy going backwards through the field.

The Cat4 waving and yelling sheet rarely if ever happens in a P1/2 race. I've never seen it in an NRC race. But that you need both a rotating beacon, vocalization, hand waving, the Goodyear f'n blimp, and probably a Tweet and a Facebook post to figure out who has the flat gives me little to no hope that you'll be productive enough in later life to get my Arby's order right (Roast Turkey and Swiss, no fries, iced tea) let alone fund my Social Security.

And this, my friends, is why I have a 401k, a 457, and IRA, and a stock portfolio.
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Did you just call RacerEx a queen?


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