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Old 10-14-11, 06:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Fat Boy View Post
The real issue is the children's parents. If the parents push a child to succeed, that child will succeed. You see it time and time again.
Sometimes that works, sometimes it doesn't. It depends on many, many factors. I do agree with you that the family, not just the parents, has the biggest influence on outcome, more so than the educational system.

We chose to give our kids the choice to succeed. We put them in a strong educational environment. We made sure that they had multiple levels of support. If they don't understand something, they are expected to ask the teacher after class. If they still don't get it, they are expected to work with their peers. If that doesn't work out, and often it's not their fault that it doesn't, then they go to the head of the department. If it still isn't working out, then they go to the head of the school. I expect my kids (high school) to do that on their own with a little help from Mom and Dad if they need it. Work it out on your own. Take advantage of the layers of support. Ask for help from us only when needed. It builds character and strength.
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Agreed.

Also, I chose to be a stay at home parent. Not because I have the delusion of teaching him or desire to micro manage his education, but to be a consistent layer of support. Part of the system of checks and balances. He's lucky I could do that. It would be a different situation if it were his mom, or if he was a latch key kid.
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I don't know if this fits into what you guys are talking about, but ...

My oldest girl struggles with math. She's in Algebra 2 right now and not having an easy time whatsoever. But, I told her to do everything she could to make the best grade possible. I also told her that I would be available whenever she needed me. Her main complaint was that she didn't understand her teacher at all. She said the teacher never really delved into the problems that much. She would move too quick from chapter to chapter. She also said the teacher was not readily available after class. Sort of like closed herself off.

So we tried to figure out a solution.

Her cheer coach was also a math teacher. Before cheer practice she would sit with her and go over everything they were learning that week. Plus, my daughter would read over everything again at night. And together we went over her homework every day. (But I tell ya, once you stop doing some of that stuff it's hard to pick back up. I was a bit slow and had to research a lot of it to better understand it myself.)

Her midterm grade was a low C, borderline D. When she got her report card she made a B. Hard work and sticktoittiveness paid off.
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I don't know if this fits into what you guys are talking about, but ...
Yeah, don't derail the thread, dude.
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Old 10-14-11, 07:14 AM
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Sorry. I'll just step away for a while. Carry on.
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Her midterm grade was a low C, borderline D. When she got her report card she made a B. Hard work and sticktoittiveness paid off.
Nice!

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sticktoittiveness
perseverance?
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Oh, and I was in the same position grade-wise as your daughter in my gen chem 100 class, both in the middle and end of the semester.

To my credit though, less than half of the original roster even survived to take the final exam and I now have a Chemistry degree
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One of the guys I ride with is an eighth grade teacher. His complaint is that he spends so much time trying to get the 5 apathetic kids in his class caught up with the middle 20 who are twiddling their thumbs in the meantime the brightest 5 or so are left bored out their minds when they could be moving forward. The standardized testing and no child left behind regs require him to go at the pace of the kids who really don't care and don't let him keep the bright kids engaged.
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I don't think that's just since NCLB.
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Originally Posted by kensuf View Post

It just depends on the cast. Seth Meyers needs to quit doing the weekend update, he just sucks, period.
It often depends more on the writers. The cast is always pretty talented and funny, they rely quite a bit on the material the writers generate for the show. And I love SM on the update. So it goes.

This is all highly subjective, which some people will never quite comprehend. You know, those who like to argue about which music is best and why your favorite color sucks.
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Seems to me the local schools here cover a lot more material than when I was a kid. But we're in a "good" district, although we have our share of dud teachers too.
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First one here at work today for the first time.

We are hood-space limited today so I got in super early so I can do my synthesis before the others get in.
It's weird unlocking this place, disalarming it and having to turn all the lights on. It's kind of creepy in here.

Also, I noticed that someone left their cell phone on their desk. It's been ringing like once every two min; it's obvious that someone forgot to take it home and is looking for it.
I kind of want to pick it up and answer it but also want to respect his/her privacy. I'll probably play it safe and just let it ring.
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Originally Posted by Homebrew01 View Post
Seems to me the local schools here cover a lot more material than when I was a kid. But we're in a "good" district, although we have our share of dud teachers too.
they say that the students make the elite universities and not the other way around.

Similarly, the students make the schools in Fairfield County good and not the other way around.
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Originally Posted by shovelhd View Post
We chose to give our kids the choice to succeed. We put them in a strong educational environment. We made sure that they had multiple levels of support. If they don't understand something, they are expected to ask the teacher after class. If they still don't get it, they are expected to work with their peers. If that doesn't work out, and often it's not their fault that it doesn't, then they go to the head of the department. If it still isn't working out, then they go to the head of the school. I expect my kids (high school) to do that on their own with a little help from Mom and Dad if they need it. Work it out on your own. Take advantage of the layers of support. Ask for help from us only when needed. It builds character and strength.
Interesting. I found it hard to ask help from teachers because I felt that I should have understood everything the first time around - any failure was mine. Teachers helped me, yes, when I was visibly struggling (i.e. under a C type of grade), but a C or a B or an A was all the same to them, "good enough". Only when I got Ds or Fs did teachers intervene. I think it was more out of concern than any ulterior motive (pay scale, etc).

I almost never asked for help from peers, not until college (and even then, not until later).

As a parallel I don't give advice on BF because I get paid to do so, I do it because I feel it's a responsibility to share what I've learned. I feel concern when new or inexperienced people mention things that may not be in their best interests. Of course I typically bypass the threads where people clearly haven't done even a single Google query, but if there's a misconception, then it's more "they Googled it and took away bad information". Laziness or being an idiot is one thing; misunderstanding is different.
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I kind of want to pick it up and answer it
"Domino's Pizza, would you like to hear our specials or are you ready to order?"

Is it a coworker you know?
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I just realized you're in some lab thing.

"Hey, who is this? Someone locked me in the lab, can you free me?"
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Old 10-14-11, 08:30 AM
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Today I am going to Kernville with some friends and tomorrow about 10 of us are using a shuttle service to take us and our mountain bikes to the top of a mountain. Then comes a 20something mile descent which drops 7 or 8000 feet. Never did anything like this before and I'm excited about it.
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It's weird unlocking this place, disalarming it and having to turn all the lights on. It's kind of creepy in here.
I do that every day. Unless I have an early appointment, I'm the first guy here. It gets creepier after DST changes.
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watching, "Christine."
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Similarly, the students make the schools in Fairfield County good and not the other way around.
Thank you.

I did have some great teachers, though.
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When I was young I got a lot more education from reading books from the public library than I ever did at school.
Same. I could have quit school after 5th grade. Barely showed up in high school as it was.

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A few years ago the California ass'n of homeschoolers had a convention in Sacto and they were so offended by a statue of Poseidon -- gift from a sister city in Greece -- that they tried to clothe it.

I'm sure they teach a mean biology class.

Read a book a while back by one of the "we put the fun back in fundamentalist!" Mormon escapees. Usual stuff...thought she was bleeding to death when she had her first period, didn't know how babies were made Etc. You'd think simple empirical evidence about sexual activity and teen pregnancies being way higher where they don't teach reproductive biology and teach abstinence instead would cause a rethink but then the Palin spawn is walking around with her bastard child spreading spreading the abstinence message, so I can only assume that a huge swath of our population ate a lot of lead paint as children.

I'm talking right out of the can.
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So I can only assume that a huge swath of our population ate a lot of lead paint as children.

I'm talking right out of the can.
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I'm sure they teach a mean biology class.
What was it George Carlin said? Something like "the word f*** hangs them up so much because that is the very act which hangs them up so much".
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let me know when this is over.
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if gazza stee-B was the mod that locked down the mikey-amtrak threads about cassettes, i obviously was too quick to comment.

even if he claims not to care. we know he does.
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