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Old 11-27-04, 04:26 PM
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Marco Pantani

In this months edition of BICYCLE magazine there was an long article about Marco Pantani and his life story. Did anyone read it? I would love to here your thoughts about it.
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Old 11-27-04, 04:34 PM
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He was a prodigiously talented rider who unfortunately became a doper and paid for it with his life. His is a very sad story.
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It was a good article. It gave a sympathetic look at the wasteful death of a great cyclist.It is a shame that he resorted to doping for professional reasons, and that he became addicted to drugs used for recreational reasons.
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Did he overdose or was he killed? i read the article at B&N and i thought he was killed but i was not sure.
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Did he over dos or was he killed?
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sorry everyone
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Originally Posted by hi565
Did he overdose or was he killed? i read the article at B&N and i thought he was killed but i was not sure.
Fans, hero worshippers, and devotees of celebrity often have trouble believing in the mortality of their idols. Elvis was sighted in convenience stores around the nation years after his death. Tupac was rumored to have engineered his own stage death.

There are people who do not want to believe that Pantani could have died is such a sordid and wasteful way. They would rather concoct a conspiracy to kill the man than face the fact that he, in depression and despair, OD'ed on cocaine. It is easier for them to believe that he was murdered than that he was flawed. That was one point that the article made.
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I will be picking up this issue of Bicycle. Thanks for the heads up.
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Old 11-27-04, 07:49 PM
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i thought it was pretty sad. Pantani was obviously suffering from depression and it seems no one was there to stand up and get him the help he needed. he'll always be a great rider in my mind.
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Originally Posted by gcasillo
I will be picking up this issue of Bicycle. Thanks for the heads up.
GC,

Be sure you get the December 2004 issue for the Pantani story. The Jan/Feb 2005 issue just came to my house a few days ago.
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great article, but so sad that his countrymen wont admit that he ODed and that it was his own fault
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Old 11-28-04, 07:19 AM
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I really enjoyed article. Very sad situation when a hero of a country with such a passion for cycling won't admit to the real problem. He was a great racer who allowed drugs to ruin and then end his life.
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Originally Posted by RegularGuy
Fans, hero worshippers, and devotees of celebrity often have trouble believing in the mortality of their idols. Elvis was sighted in convenience stores around the nation years after his death. Tupac was rumored to have engineered his own stage death.

There are people who do not want to believe that Pantani could have died is such a sordid and wasteful way. They would rather concoct a conspiracy to kill the man than face the fact that he, in depression and despair, OD'ed on cocaine. It is easier for them to believe that he was murdered than that he was flawed. That was one point that the article made.

RG, I don't know what you're talking about. I just saw Tupac, Biggie and Elvis at the Walgreen's fighting over a box of White Castle.

Anyway, I went to Italy in June, and definitely, there is a lot of sadness when you talk to people about Pantani. They did great tributes to Marco at the Giro this year- I picked up DVD's of all of Marco's achievements, and a WONDERFUL magazine, full of photography of all of Pantani's glory days. It's too bad Pantani was so depressed that he couldn't see the people around him who absolutely loved him, and it's also too bad that there were obviously people who turned their back on him instead of trying to help get him through his drug crisis.

Actually, there are a lot of too bads here. It was a waste of talent.

I'm going to pick up that Bicycling magazine. Thanks for the heads up. I'll be adding it to my collection.

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Old 11-28-04, 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Koffee Brown
I just saw Tupac, Biggie and Elvis at the Walgreen's fighting over a box of White Castle.
Elvis exchanging fists over White Castles? How about peanut butter and banana sandwiches?

Grrr, where can I find the December issue? Nobody in town seems to have it. No bookstands even.
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If you are interested, I could scan the article and post it (assuming there are no copyright issues with that, probably are though). Or I could just email it to whoever wants it.
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Pantani's problems were not unique to him. His story is common among elite professional athletes. Ken Camminiti, former baseball MVP also recently od'ed on cocaine. Same story. The team doctors gave him pain killers "over the table" so he could play while injured. The team trainers watched while Ken gained forty pounds of muscles in his upper body and had every sympton of steroid abuse, and just handed him more weights to lift. When he was hitting forty homers a year, the team management was happy with him. When he could not hit anymore, no team would touch him.

A baseball exec said that Cammi dead because he was "undisciplined" in his use of drugs. In baseball, the "disciplined" drug abusers, such as Barry Bonds, are held up as heroes. The undisciplined drug abusers are thrown away after they have been used up.

Lance Armstrong had said his major goal for the last year was winning the Olympics. Then, just before the Olympics, it was announced that new tests would be used that would detect drugs and EPO better than prior tests. And that blood samples would be stored for years, to be re-tested when better tests were developed. Lance then dropped out of the Olympics. Lance has canceled scheduled races after the Olympics where the new tests might be used. Tyler Hamilton took his chances beating the new tests and lost his gamble twice

Fans, sponsors, and the government to get serious about drug abuse. The use of drugs in an athletic contest is cheating and fraud. If Barry Bonds got his home run records by cheating, he should not just lose his records. He should be in prison, followed by drug treatment. Or, we canjust wait ten years and say "Sorry to hear the news about Barry Bonds".
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http://home.comcast.net/~joejackson9...es/pantani.zip

For those interested in reading the article.
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Added perspective about that Pantani article: the author was an addict, too.

It's easier for some fans to believe someone else took his life, than to admit/see that their hero was in such emotional pain after his career to take his own life.
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Very true. If you admit that you saw the pain, then you are admitting that there's something you might have been able to do to prevent the tragedy. It's much easier to blame someone else and deflect some of the guilt you might feel from inactivity.

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I haven't read the article yet, but if he ODed on cocaine, was it his heart that gave out? Cocaine is a very, very bad drug and tremendously bad for the heart. When you read about aging rockers keeling over from massive heart attacks (Rick James, Robert Palmer, John Entwistle, etc.) you can almost be sure cocaine played a role in it. It's especially bad if you're a cyclist. Trust me on this - I have a "friend" who was starting to develop a nice little habit some years ago. When cycling season came around, he was worried about the effect of doing blow and cycling - that it may be too much for his heart. Faced with that decision, he had to make a choice. He chose cycling and never looked back. May be a good detox method.
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What cave have I been in? I didn't know Robert Palmer passed away.

I bet you'll tell me Tyler Hamilton is a blood doper next. Oh wait...
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Its just a sad waste like so many before. It was a good article BTW.
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Originally Posted by gcasillo
What cave have I been in? I didn't know Robert Palmer passed away.

I bet you'll tell me Tyler Hamilton is a blood doper next. Oh wait...

It was just a minor item in the news about, oh, 8 months ago. Sad, but true.

I guess he thought he was "immune to the stuff, oh yeah." I guess he might as well faced it, he was addicted...

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I did end up reading the article that was posted about Pantani - a poor soul and there but for the grace of God...

A word to the wise, fellow cyclists - Pantani, while unique in that he was very talented, was still human, like us, and faced the same temptations. I've noticed that cyclists, be they recreational or hard-core, share a certain mindset and propensity toward adrenaline and rushes. Ever notice that rush you get after a good long ride? When you get back home & de-kit & shower while you blast music & every one of your nerves feels the ultimate joy of being alive? It's the best! (That's one of the reasons we do it.) And, it's not much different than coming off stage after a good gig (been there) or a good five sets of tennis or any other kind of sport that people practice that produces that rush. Highs are highs, and it sounds like Pantani was an adrenaline junkie, no more and no less.

Cocaine is fun & seductive, like your bike. And - it's an excellent substitute. After all, you don't have to get off of your couch to do it. Problem is - it doesn't feed, it drains. George Carlin - "You know how cocaine makes feel? It makes you feel like doing more cocaine."

Hmm. Not unlike cycling, in some ways, but - cycling is better for you.
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Originally Posted by Surferbruce
Pantani was obviously suffering from depression and it seems no one was there to stand up and get him the help he needed.
Regardless of who the person is, there is seldom anyone in their life capable of understanding just how awful deep clinical depression really feels. When Pantani's depression became a ponderous illness, it no longer mattered if he doped or not. He simply needed help. And whether he doped or not, I feel profound and tearful sadness the help he so badly needed was unable to save his life.
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There's a little Pantani in a lot of athletes and ordinary Joes. Ever do something wild, chaotic, extraordinary? People take notice of you. It's human nature to want to be noticed. So you continue this behavior. You become what you think people want you to be. This is addiction, and I don't know what drug abuse is like, but I can't imagine losing your identity to a mob being much easier to cope with.
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