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Old 11-29-04, 12:35 PM
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local racing clubs

i'm thinking about joining a racing club in my area. i rode unattached (cat 5) for my two races last season and was going to again next season, but i think i may enjoy being in a club as well.

for those of you that are in racing clubs, how do you like it? did you feel you raced better? is there any organization to the races, as in a designated team leader? training benefits or drawbacks? what about coaching?
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Old 11-29-04, 02:03 PM
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As a cat4/5 it is unlikely that there is going to be a designated leader.
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Old 11-29-04, 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by divekrb
One of the big pluses is this year I'll be riding with other club members in some of the racing events, so I'll have some team support when needed.
you mean you'll be giving team support when needed

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Old 11-29-04, 03:55 PM
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It's not so much team support, as it is team courtesey in the cat 4/5 races...

The reason is that in the short crits, there is little time or chance for tactical manuvering during the race...Other than chasing down breaks that your team missed out on.

Most clubs will respect a teamate in the breakaway, and not contribute to the chase efforts. Teams may try to blocka chase effort, but most go way to slow and it is too obvious, besides the breaks rarely stick in these categories anyways....

Teamwork comes into play if you happen to have a teammate in the break with you, then you can decide who works more (the guy with the slower sprint).

But with no contracts, and no clearly designated job descriptions, egos usually get in the way. Everyone thinks they are stronger than the rest of the team, Plus communicating during a race is tough...

That being said, I had a few races this year, where we elected to all ride for a teamate who had a devestating sprint, basically chasing down all the breaks, and keeping him out of the wind. With 1 lap to go, the plan was to drag him to the front, on the windward side of the back straight, which always had room, becuase it was in the crosswind. I got him up there, and he was 3rd going round the last corner, but ended up 5th. He said afterwards, he never felt good the whole race, knowing this I would have asked him to get me up there instead, but communicating during a race is tough sometimes..

As you move to the more experienced catagories, you will be racing with guys who understand and "get it" more.

But to be honest, nothing ever really goes the way its planned in Racing...

Oh yeah.. no hand ups during a race, If you can't get through a 45 minute crit on the water you brought, too bad. I've seen many a crash cause some guy wants to pass a bottle to a teamate. If you really need it, go to the back and do it. The Officials "might" turn a blind eye then...

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Old 11-29-04, 04:04 PM
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what about in terms of training? do you guys train with your teammates, or just come together on race day?
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Old 11-29-04, 04:10 PM
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We usually ride together on Sunday, but not everyone makes it every Sunday.

We have a training series down here, and had 5 teams in it, it was fun becuase on tuesdays and thursdays we compete against each other, but USCF races, we all ride for the team.

You will be able to benefit from most any group ride, but it is nice to ride with the guys you will be racing with. You get an idea of everyones ability etc.... You could be the baddest mofo out there, but if you train alone and show up on race day, who is going to know, and be willing to help you?



If you are new to the sport, your teamates can be an incredible source of advice and knowledge. Plus you will make great friends, and friends are important in racing.
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Old 11-29-04, 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by timmhaan
what about in terms of training? do you guys train with your teammates, or just come together on race day?
I raced last year as a cat 5 with a local team. During the summer we have a weekly training race and a Sat. ride. Mostly when we come to a race we try to meet up just to discuss what we hope to have happen. Most of the time that really never happens.
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Old 11-29-04, 08:43 PM
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Different clubs have a different vibe. Some do coaching and club training, some don't. If nothing else, you'll have access to people you can tap for advice. Most provide at least a network that you can hook into for training rides on a schedule and level that works for you. It also provides a good support network. On raceday, in my experience, smoothie pretty much nailed it. For a Cat 5, team support is mostly just a little courtesy when you need it.

If you have access to more than one club, try riding with them. Go with the one you're most comfortable with and whose goals tend to match yours.
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Old 11-30-04, 12:08 PM
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So, which team you want to join in NYC??? I am thinking about Kissena.
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Old 11-30-04, 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by R600DuraAce
So, which team you want to join in NYC??? I am thinking about Kissena.
i was thinking either kissena or century road club (http://www.crca.net/), but i'm still looking around. i guess it would make sense to join a well known club for the first time around and if i don't like it choose another one.
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Old 11-30-04, 05:54 PM
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These are the local teams that I often see during races.
http://www.nyvelocity.com/content.ph...3214ddc2fa75f9

I don't think they have an open door policy when comes to "signing" up riders. I don't like the CRC newbie policy about having to serve as a marshall first before you can enter any of their club races. Since I am in Brooklyn, I doubt that I can make it to their 6am races. Kissena it is but I will wait until Jan to send in my membership check.

Originally Posted by timmhaan
i was thinking either kissena or century road club (http://www.crca.net/), but i'm still looking around. i guess it would make sense to join a well known club for the first time around and if i don't like it choose another one.
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Old 12-01-04, 01:38 PM
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I have raced for over 20 years on clubs and unattached. I mostly ride masters now. In masters events the teams have major tactics, with designated leaders based on who is leading the event. I love riding these events unattached since I am free to mess with everyone. I like having to be in almost every break, and having to know what will stick. I also like being able to rest when I need to and not toasting myself for the team. Since I work and don't get to race that often anymore I like to ride for myself. I do not like training with anyone since they will not share common plan. Group rides are fine and can be part of your training but I would not ride with a group all the time if you have a training plan. Having said this, if you are new to racing you must join a team. You need the contacts and knowledge that you get from a team. I needed a coach when I was younger, and I learned a huge amount from my teams back then.
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Old 12-02-04, 05:06 AM
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Originally Posted by timmhaan
i was thinking either kissena or century road club (http://www.crca.net/), but i'm still looking around. i guess it would make sense to join a well known club for the first time around and if i don't like it choose another one.
A long time ago, I rode with CRCA...what is good is that you can do the club races before getting into the USCF stuff to learn a bit and this is a good thing....
You only have to marshal once to be able to ride a club race. Actually, this is a good policy as you really cannot have races without supervision and observers...
It's an excellent club.
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