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Criterium racing on Zipp 202s... good/bad----advantages/disadvantages

I am in search of a wheelset to race this year. First off wrecking them or destroying them is not a concern, neither is price. So I'd like to know what you guys think of racing criteriums on Zipp202 tubulars. I'm a small guy 148 5'6". will the light weight of these wheels be of benefit to me when it comes to spinning them up out of corners. what are the advantages and disadvantages of these wheels for that kind of racing?

I raced on just Amercian Classics 420 across this year just so you have a idea
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The aerodynamics of Zipp 404's would more than offset the slight weight penalty compared to the 202's.

The 202's aren't you're best option for most conditions short of a pure hill climb tt.

Given that you're not that big, crosswinds could be some concern when it's really blowing, but it shouldn't be a problem the majority of the time.
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Originally Posted by JAX_11 View Post
I raced on just Amercian Classics 420 across this year just so you have a idea
Just stick with those unless you're going to go to something more like a Zipp 404 type of rim. The whole 'spin up' gain is wildly overstated and completely overshadowed by aero.
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Well what if I went with the zipp 303. they are 45mm depth? not too big not to small?
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aren't 303s basically the same weight / profile as the AC420's?

fwiw, I've raced on (older) 404's and (newer) AC420's and by subjective "feel" the 420's felt faster.
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Originally Posted by jax_11 View Post
Criterium racing on Zipp 202s... good/bad----advantages/disadvantages

i am in search of a wheelset to race this year. First off wrecking them or destroying them is not a concern, neither is price. so i'd like to know what you guys think of racing criteriums on zipp202 tubulars. I'm a small guy 148 5'6". Will the light weight of these wheels be of benefit to me when it comes to spinning them up out of corners. What are the advantages and disadvantages of these wheels for that kind of racing?

I raced on just amercian classics 420 across this year just so you have a idea
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Originally Posted by Creakyknees View Post
aren't 303s basically the same weight / profile as the AC420's?

fwiw, I've raced on (older) 404's and (newer) AC420's and by subjective "feel" the 420's felt faster.
zipp 303s are: 45mm rim depth--------total weight 1171grams

american classics 420 aeros are: 34mm rim depth-------- total weight 1530 rim depth

pretty significant difference i would think.
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well it has to be stated ahead of time so I dont get the genious answers "race what you can afford to wreck"
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I think that you are over thinking all of this. If you want them and you have then coin then "fine", go ahead and buy them. If they make you feel faster you will be faster. The placebo effect actually works.

I've raced in recent years on Bonty Race Lites, FSA RD 400s, Mavic K Elites, and Edge (now ENVE) 65 carbon tubulars. Tire differences are as big if not bigger than wheel differences.

Get a good set of wheels and a better set of tires. And take advantage of any team deals to get stuff.
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its not about wanting the 202s. Basically I wanted the best wheelset for my size and weight for crit racing. I just though cause of my size 202s might spin up better. but you guys are saying aero over weight. thanx
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Originally Posted by mollusk View Post
I think that you are over thinking all of this. If you want them and you have then coin then "fine", go ahead and buy them. If they make you feel faster you will be faster. The placebo effect actually works.

I've raced in recent years on Bonty Race Lites, FSA RD 400s, Mavic K Elites, and Edge (now ENVE) 65 carbon tubulars. Tire differences are as big if not bigger than wheel differences.

Get a good set of wheels and a better set of tires. And take advantage of any team deals to get stuff.
no, really?
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botto, you must really hate newer cyclist who are just looking for answers. its okay I wont hold it against you. lol
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Originally Posted by JAX_11 View Post
botto, you must really hate newer cyclist who are just looking for answers. its okay I wont hold it against you. lol
yeah, that's what i hate.
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In a race full of hairpins and u-turns, a super light wheel will be nice.

In a race with broad sweeping turns, weight matters less, aero matters more.

If you have more wind, you lose stability with a more aero front wheel (but gain it with a rear aero wheel).

If you have coin and you want to stick with the Zipp line, get a single 202 front, a pair of 404s, and a rear 808. Use a 404/808 f/r combo most of the time, 202/808 when windy, 404/404 for slightly jumpier races, 202/202 or 202/404 for very jumpy (hairpins and u-turns) races.

I don't know the Zipp line and don't feel like going to their site but make sure the rim widths are similar. In the HED line (which I'm familiar with) I'd get the Stinger 4 front, Stinger 6 f/r, and Stinger 9 rear. I know the braking width is similar on all of them so it'd be easy to swap wheels pending conditions.
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Thanx for the insight carpediemracing... that probally helps me the most
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Originally Posted by JAX_11 View Post
botto, you must really hate newer cyclist who are just looking for answers. its okay I wont hold it against you. lol
He is actually a font of good information if you ask the right questions.

And even if you don't ask the right question, he is insightful if you listen with the right ears

I'd say that it runs 5% to 95% around here between the two.
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Umm, ya, missed that bit.
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Buy two discs. Aero God Mode.
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Given that you're not that big, crosswinds could be some concern when it's really blowing, but it shouldn't be a problem the majority of the time.
Why does everyone think that small guys can't handle their bikes when it's windy?
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Buy two discs. Aero God Mode.
Win. Don't forget to invert your front fork though.
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Why does everyone think that small guys can't handle their bikes when it's windy?
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Why does everyone think that small guys can't handle their bikes when it's windy?
It's not about handling the bikes, it's about the angle you lean over to make it happen. Makes you, like, twice as wide.
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